Chinese-American Alliance?

[Exarch]

Remember the sino-american alliance from 'firefly'?
do u guys think it's possible for the USA and China to become close allies in the near future?

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Sure, why not? It would definitely require a change in the Chinese Government though.

[Exarch]

Sure, why not? It would definitely require a change in the Chinese Government though.

ah but whose to say it's the chicoms who'll change?
remember the alliance in 'firefly' was a 'benelovent' autocracy/oligarchy.

[Erwin Rommel]

hmmm.........how about Chinese Commie Style Propaganda for America

[Pontifex Maximus]

An economic alliance sure, politically speaking though, it would be hard for America to support some of China's policies. Forced abortions...their decisions to relocate thousands of civilians to make a resevoir... It might be feasible, but it would require some give somewhere. I would rather be dead than see the US become more like China.

[Georgy Zhukov]

An economic alliance sure, politically speaking though, it would be hard for America to support some of China's policies. Forced abortions...their decisions to relocate thousands of civilians to make a resevoir... It might be feasible, but it would require some give somewhere. I would rather be dead than see the US become more like China.

We're allies with the Saudis, and the cut peoples hands off for stealing, its true, they have oil, but eventually, as the Communist party starts to decay, their will be an alliance.

[Exarch]

An economic alliance sure, politically speaking though, it would be hard for America to support some of China's policies. Forced abortions...their decisions to relocate thousands of civilians to make a resevoir... It might be feasible, but it would require some give somewhere. I would rather be dead than see the US become more like China.

well what if a common enemy came up like nazi germany where the US and the soviet union joined forces?
heck some americans alreayd accept chinese policies; some rich americans can get a nice healthy liver from a falun dafa practitioner for cheap!

[ray243]

An economic alliance sure, politically speaking though, it would be hard for America to support some of China's policies. Forced abortions...their decisions to relocate thousands of civilians to make a resevoir... It might be feasible, but it would require some give somewhere. I would rather be dead than see the US become more like China.

It's not forced abortion really. The government is just discouraging population growth, by fining them. They are asking them to pay a fine, not kill of the child. Even in a country with free press, people are STILL brainwash. Not by the government( may or may not be true, take watergate for instance) mind you , but by the media companies.

It's discouraging a high birth rate, which is just as moral as encouraging birth rates in a country with low birth rates. In a country with the highest population in the world, I THINK you might want to have some sort of control over the population level.

Many of the countries that achieve developed nation status have start programs to discourage birth rates.

[Boking]

Of course.

[Exarch]

when i think of the chicom gov. i think of the oligarchy that runs the imperium of man in warhammer 40k; an oligarchy that is at the same time oppressive and paternalistic and militaristic/jingoistic

[Emperor Taizu]

Remember the sino-american alliance from 'firefly'?
do u guys think it's possible for the USA and China to become close allies in the near future?

Nope, it will never happen. China doesn't like westerners besides the fact that they buy our goods, but that's it. Plus, we don't want to westernize our country, and we certainly don't want the US to tell us what to do. So, I don't support that idea, not that it will ever happen. Being neutral is good enough. We also don't want America to grasp any more information that they can use to make propoganda to drag us down.

[Exarch]

Nope, it will never happen. China doesn't like westerners besides the fact that they buy our goods, but that's it. Plus, we don't want to westernize our country, and we certainly don't want the US to tell us what to do. So, I don't support that idea, not that it will ever happen. Being neutral is good enough. We also don't want America to grasp any more information that they can use to make propoganda to drag us down.

the americans and british didnt much like each other in the early 1800s, but look where they both are now

[Emperor Taizu]

the americans and british didnt much like each other in the early 1800s, but look where they both are now

I just think that China's leaders are wise enough to know not to be an ally of the US, if they want China to be the next superpower in the world.

[Osceola]

I just think that China's leaders are wise enough to know not to be an ally of the US, if they want China to be the next superpower in the world.

And thats all you care about? You'd rather be the next superpower in the world then the own individual liberty of your own people?

Thats disgusting.

[Exarch]

And thats all you care about? You'd rather be the next superpower in the world then the own individual liberty of your own people?

Thats disgusting.

i agree
but individual liberty in this day and age is a fast growing myth methinks
ever since 9/11, i've felt more and more of our civil liberties being ever more eroded.
who's going to be the next group when the 'terrorists/islamics' are gone? emos?

[gaius valerius]

And thats all you care about? You'd rather be the next superpower in the world then the own individual liberty of your own people?

Thats disgusting.

No that's politics...

[Aetius]

Plus, we don't want to westernize our country

Too late. Urban China has embraced western customs lock stock and barrel.

[Exarch]

Too late. Urban China has embraced western customs lock stock and barrel.

customs yes, culture-arguable
tho u could say a lot of modern living is very western influenced but the chinese are still very family/communal oriented as opposed to a rather western individualism and they still tend to hold a lot of confucian values.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Nope, it will never happen. China doesn't like westerners besides the fact that they buy our goods, but that's it.

That's racist!

Plus, we don't want to westernize our country, and we certainly don't want the US to tell us what to do.

Where on Earth do you live? In some small village in Xinjiang? How are you posting on the internet? China has already westernized.

So, I don't support that idea, not that it will ever happen. Being neutral is good enough. We also don't want America to grasp any more information that they can use to make propoganda to drag us down.

:S If the Chinese Government wasn't oppressive we wouldn't have anything to criticize.

customs yes, culture-arguable

Cell phones? SUVS? Jeans? McDonalds?

[Exarch]

Cell phones? SUVS? Jeans? McDonalds?

cellphones and SUVs are technologies-when i think culture, i'm thinking personal/societal values and identity.
does having a macdonalds in say india make the indians culturally ameicanised? shall we say the many sushi bars and chinese/thai restaurants in american and oz an indicator of 'asianisation'?

i'd say the popularity of wushu and buddhism in the west is an indicator of chinese culture, not dissimilar to how communism was to china in the early 20th century-new ideas and concepts which are culturally unique to their 'home countries'.