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    Default Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    I have noticed that the Novgorod faction does not have alot of the great Kievan Rus units. Im no history buff, but if there are any out there (or makers of SS) that could answer this question: Why is it that the Kievan Rus have Cossack Cavalary and other top notch units that Novgorod dont have?

    Thanks in advance

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    Well I don't consider myself a history buff, but I actually just got finished reading a book on the battle of Lake Peipus between the Teutonic Knights and Novgorod, and the author goes on to note that Horse Archers for Novgorod was a big suprise to the TKs, even though they often had skirmishes with the Russians they rarely seen them employ horse archers. He comes to the conclusion that the Horse Archers were not actually Russians but possibly Mongol or Turkish mersenaries that Alexander Nevskii hired.

    Meaning of course that horse archers were not trained much in the Novgorod military. Maybe KK or whoever did the research for him read a similar book.

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    I think he isnīt just about Novgorods lack of cossacks. but of any special or more powerful units as well.
    Their roster lacks any ascendent points the player could rely on.
    This is really sad in my opinion, but I donīt critisize the team or KK for their decesions.
    I just remarked.

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea View Post
    I have noticed that the Novgorod faction does not have alot of the great Kievan Rus units. Im no history buff, but if there are any out there (or makers of SS) that could answer this question: Why is it that the Kievan Rus have Cossack Cavalary and other top notch units that Novgorod dont have?
    Novgorod get the Cossack Musketeers and the Cossack Cavalry. The Cossack mounted gunners that Kievan Rus get is the only Cossack unit that Novgorod doesn't get.

    And guys, the Novgorod roster is the one from vanilla. It hasn't been changed for SS at all. So dont blame KK for any Novgorod shortcomings

    Really, Novgorod shouldn't have Cossack units at all, seeing as Novgorod is in the north-west of what is now Russia, while the Cossacks were in south and south-east. That being said, I shamelessly plug a revised roster mod for Novgorod that I am currently working on

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158892

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus View Post
    Novgorod get the Cossack Musketeers and the Cossack Cavalry. The Cossack mounted gunners that Kievan Rus get is the only Cossack unit that Novgorod doesn't get.

    And guys, the Novgorod roster is the one from vanilla. It hasn't been changed for SS at all. So dont blame KK for any Novgorod shortcomings

    Really, Novgorod shouldn't have Cossack units at all, seeing as Novgorod is in the north-west of what is now Russia, while the Cossacks were in south and south-east. That being said, I shamelessly plug a revised roster mod for Novgorod that I am currently working on

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158892
    I will love you forever if you make a new unit roster for Novgorod that would be compatible with SS!!! +unlimited rep hahah

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    Quote Originally Posted by yelowdogg23 View Post
    I will love you forever if you make a new unit roster for Novgorod that would be compatible with SS!!! +unlimited rep hahah
    Well dont be expecting anything too drastic. Just a little more appropriate and localised

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    Default Re: Kievan Rus exclusivly have cossack cav?

    Alright, sounds good.

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