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    All this fuss about Obama's preacher, what about McCains?
    I believe he received endorsement, from John Hagee, who McCain is glad to have received endorsement from, who has said such statements as;

    "Hurricane Katrina was an act of God, punishing New Orleans for "a level of sin that was offensive to God." He referred to a "homosexual parade" held on the date the hurricane struck and this was proof "of the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans. Another reason for God's wrath, Hagee claims, was the Bush administration's pressure on Israel to abandon settlements and the associated land. Therefore, God took American land in a "tit for tat" exchange."
    His blame of everything attributed to gods wrath he has also stated that the Jews deserve their punishments as they are being punished by God too;
    Hagee attributed the persecution of Jews throughout history, implicitly including the Holocaust, to disobedience, thereby attracting accusations of antisemitism; "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people"
    Not to mention his belief in the prophecy;
    the United States must attack Iran to fulfill the biblical prophecy of Armageddon in Israel in which 144,000 Jews will be converted to Christianity and the rest killed
    He claims that all Muslims are potential invaders and terrorists as the Quran has instructed them therefore we must be wary of all muslims as they are;
    "There are 1.3 billion people who follow the Islamic faith, so if you're saying there's only 15 percent that want to come to America or invade Israel to crush it, you're only talking about 200 million people. That's far more than Hitler and Japan and Italy and all of the axis powers in World War II had under arms."
    A priest?
    "in 2001 alone, John Hagee had received over 1.25 million dollars in total compensation for his position as CEO of a non-profit organisation"
    and what has McCain got to say?
    McCain said that it was "probably a mistake" to court and accept Hagee's endorsement, although he's still glad to have his endorsement


    Secondly someone whom McCain has described as his spiritual guide, Rod Parsley, has made the following statements;

    The secular media never likes it when I say this, so let me say it twice. Man your battle stations! Ready your weapons! They say this rhetoric is so inciting. I came to incite a riot. ... Man your battle stations. Ready your weapons. Lock and load--for the thirty, forty liberal pastors who filed against our ministry with the Internal Revenue Service. ... Let the struggle begin. Let it begin in your heart today with a shout unto him who has called us to war--not only that, he has empowered you and I to win.
    He also believes the United States is gods own chosen country and their goal is too destroy islam.
    "do[es] not believe that our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed.”
    If this man is McCains spiritual guide, does that mean also believes in destroying Islam? If not why won;t he renounce them?

    and Why isn't making so much of a fuss about these guys but are doing so with Obamas?

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    You americans please get an atheist president...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Portuguese Rebel View Post
    You americans please get an atheist president...
    Heh. Pretty much the best post we're going to see on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portuguese Rebel View Post
    You americans please get an atheist president...
    that's going to be a long time coming
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    To be honest, I'd rather have Jeremiah Wright be my president than both Obama and McCain.

    Obama really has a tough time getting his point across and telling the nation what his plans are. And McCain has been bragging to his fellow Republicans that he'll kill twice as many villagers as Herr Bush. I'm actually considering Hillary as my top candidate right now. I once had respect for McCain, but he's just a senile old bastard who is trying to apply pressure to a wound that's already begun healing (at least by '08 it will).

    And after his speech at the NCAAP dinner in Detroit, Jeremiah Wright is my favorite man in America.



    *sorry, its just a Black thing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahir View Post
    I once had respect for McCain, but he's just a senile old bastard who is trying to apply pressure to a wound that's already begun healing (at least by '08 it will).
    It is '08. Welcome to the future. Here is your flying car and robot maid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portuguese Rebel View Post
    You americans please get an atheist president...
    If they acept endorsements from Dawkins, Hitchens, or Harris how about not.

    Hagee sucks balls and is a corrupt , McCain should say something to that affect.

    (Maybe just talk about his corruption)
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    Radical Christian preacher. Sigh.

    Mcain doesn't know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite - and doesn't care.

    Now I know why he doesn't care.


    I guess Mcain just isn't in the spotlight - while Obama is.
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    Nah, athiest presidents would cause all kinds of unrest from uberchristians.

    I'll be satisfied with a jewish president! YEAH BABY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    I'll be satisfied with a jewish president! YEAH BABY!
    Oh yeah that would be soooo much better.
    Israel would exterminate the palestinans and the US would support it.
    Of course, you would have a president that knows economy

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    I personally think its all stupid I'm just wondering why it hasn't received as much attention as Obama.

    it just concerns me is all what McCains spiritual guides and good friends whom he is pleased to have the endorsement off say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    I personally think its all stupid I'm just wondering why it hasn't received as much attention as Obama.

    it just concerns me is all what McCains spiritual guides and good friends whom he is pleased to have the endorsement off say.
    Because Hagee is a known factor and the "Christian right" is already out there that everyone in the US pretty much knows where people like Hagee stand. Also anyone who follows Mccain knows full well his long rather ongoing conflict with the religious right...despite the endorsement (which is more along the lines of better Mccain then Hillary rather then real meaningful support of Mccain) there isnt much love between him and the religious right. Why do you think Huckabee proved to be such an annoyance during the primary? Mccain has to humor the religious right for their support the same exact way Democrats humor black voters.

    So in the end while Obama's preacher doesnt mean squat and neither does Hagee...Wright popping up was a suprise while Hagee is not. Combine that with the message Obama is putting out there and how it conflicts quite a bit with Wright's comments and you get a news story the media milks for all its worth.

    Btw there was some heat over the endorsement due to Hagee's "anti catholic" views which Mccain prompty denounced despite the endorsement. But you want to know why its not an issue? Because of this http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...campaign.wrap/ Mccain's history of butting heads with them.

    The only inconvenient,is that he is a old man,and just stay one mandate,he could try to solve the Iranian problem quick,and the Iranians,with those small boats provocation,could give him a reason,to solve Iranian nukes problem,with a nuke attack.
    Uh yeah okay....
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Because Hagee is a known factor and the "Christian right" is already out there that everyone in the US pretty much knows where people like Hagee stand. Also anyone who follows Mccain knows full well his long rather ongoing conflict with the religious right...despite the endorsement (which is more along the lines of better Mccain then Hillary rather then real meaningful support of Mccain) there isnt much love between him and the religious right. Why do you think Huckabee proved to be such an annoyance during the primary? Mccain has to humor the religious right for their support the same exact way Democrats humor black voters.

    So in the end while Obama's preacher doesnt mean squat and neither does Hagee...Wright popping up was a suprise while Hagee is not. Combine that with the message Obama is putting out there and how it conflicts quite a bit with Wright's comments and you get a news story the media milks for all its worth.

    Btw there was some heat over the endorsement due to Hagee's "anti catholic" views which Mccain prompty denounced despite the endorsement. But you want to know why its not an issue? Because of this http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...campaign.wrap/ Mccain's history of butting heads with them.
    The point is McCain jumped on the bandwagon to condemn Obama for his affiliations without looking to his.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    I should'nt imagine that the majority of the American public will be casting their votes on the merit's of the respective candidates preachers.
    Unfortunately very few people would actually judge candidates solely on ability, its all about the damn glitz.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat View Post
    Give them equal coverage is what kb8 is pointing out. Equal coverage could mean no coverage.
    Yes thats what i meant, although i think its dumb that people have to answer for others words they haven't said themselves but if McCain and his goons and Hillary and her goons point this out, then they should check to see if they have a similar situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    The point is McCain jumped on the bandwagon to condemn Obama for his affiliations without looking to his.
    No he didn't:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    Unfortunately very few people would actually judge candidates solely on ability, its all about the damn glitz.
    I think thats a bit of a generalisation without personally canvassing a large portion of the American electorate.

    I don't know why you get so het up about the US election, your from Yorkshire, same as me, and I'm not sure if we even get to vote in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    I think thats a bit of a generalisation without personally canvassing a large portion of the American electorate.

    I don't know why you get so het up about the US election, your from Yorkshire, same as me, and I'm not sure if we even get to vote in it.
    You think that only applies to the United States it applies to all politics. Deny it all day, but when there is a balck candidate or a muslim candidate what stands out is that they're black or Muslim and that seems to be politically relevant as opposed to concentrating solely on their ability or skills. Perhaps its best if we do have an athiest leader.

    anyway here.
    http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistb...istSurveys.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    Uh... this is not McCain's preacher. The thread title is intentionally misleading and is in bad form.
    As i said McCain called him a spiritual guide, might have Political BS but he said it.

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    Cool down kb8,this man is not the American president,yet.
    But I think,about religion,he isn't so "radical" as bush.
    The only inconvenient,is that he is a old man,and just stay one mandate,he could try to solve the Iranian problem quick,and the Iranians,with those small boats provocation,could give him a reason,to solve Iranian nukes problem,with a nuke attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajomife@iol.pt View Post
    Cool down kb8,this man is not the American president,yet.
    He seems to be doing alright so far.

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    Oh man, did you just argue that the elderly are more likely to commit to a nuclear war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Oh man, did you just argue that the elderly are more likely to commit to a nuclear war?
    Any other way to attack Iran?Or nuke or not attack, I believe in the second possibility,but I can imagine Iran with nuclear weapons.
    We must understand that, Iran have a Persian empire, Parthian Empire,the Sassanid Empire,and any more in middle ages,so they are very proud nation,and now they join religion to nationalism,so its a big problem.They simple dont give up the Nuke just because any kind of pression.

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