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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/...ial/index.html

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- A judge acquitted three New York Police Department detectives of all charges Friday morning in the shooting death of an unarmed man in a 50-bullet barrage, hours before he was to be married.


    Detectives Michael Oliver, left, Gescard Isnora and Marc Cooper were accused in the 50-bullet barrage.

    1 of 3 Detectives Michael Oliver and Gescard Isnora were found not guilty of charges of manslaughter, assault and reckless endangerment in the death of Sean Bell, 23, and the wounding of two of his friends.

    Detective Marc Cooper was acquitted of reckless endangerment.

    Justice Arthur Cooperman said he found problems with the prosecution's case. He said some prosecution witnesses contradicted themselves, and he cited prior convictions and incarcerations of witnesses.

    He also cited the demeanor of some witnesses on the stand.

    As the judge read his decision, Nicole Paultre Bell -- Sean Bell's fiancee before his death -- ran from the courtroom, saying, "I've got to get out of here."

    The announcement immediately sparked anger among some in the crowd outside the courthouse, but the protests were generally orderly.

    One woman shouted at a black police officer, "How can you be proud to wear that uniform? Stand down! Stop working for the masters!"

    Patrick Lynch, president of the New York Police Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said "there's no winners, there's no losers" in the case.

    "We still have a death that occurred. We still have police officers that have to live with the fact that there was a death involved in their case," Lynch said.

    But, he added, the verdict assured police officers that they will be treated fairly in New York's courts.

    The Rev. Al Sharpton, who has been advising Bell's fiancee and family, left the courthouse about an hour after the verdict without making a public statement. He had called for calm Wednesday.

    Bell, 23, was killed just before dawn on his wedding day, November 25, 2006. He and several friends were winding up an all-night bachelor party at the Kalua Club in Queens, a strip club that was under investigation by a NYPD undercover unit looking into complaints of guns, drugs and prostitution.

    Undercover detectives were inside the club, and plainclothes officers were stationed outside.

    Witnesses said that about 4 a.m., closing time, as Bell and his friends left the club, an argument broke out. Believing that one of Bell's friends, Joseph Guzman, was going to get a gun from Bell's car, one of the undercover detectives followed the men and called for backup.

    What happened next was at the heart of the trial, prosecuted by the assistant district attorney in Queens.

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    Bell, Guzman and Trent Benefield got into the car, with Bell at the wheel. The detectives drew their weapons, said Guzman and Benefield, who testified that they never heard the plainclothes detectives identify themselves as police.

    Bell was in a panic to get away from the armed men, his friends testified.

    But the detectives thought Bell was trying to run down one of them, according to their lawyers, believed that their lives were in danger and started shooting.

    In a frantic 911 call, police can be heard saying, "Shots fired. Undercover units involved."

    A total of 50 bullets were fired by five NYPD officers. Only three were charged with crimes.

    Oliver, who reloaded his semiautomatic in the middle of the fray, fired 31 times, Isnora fired 11 times, and Cooper, whose leg was brushed by Bell's moving car, fired four times, the NYPD said.

    No gun was found near Bell or his friends.

    Soon after his death, Bell's fiancee, Nicole Paultre, legally changed her name to Nicole Paultre Bell. She is raising the couple's two daughters, ages 5 and 1.

    "I tell [them] that Daddy's in heaven now," she said. "He's watching over us. He's our guardian angel. He's going to be here to protect us and make sure nothing happens to us."

    Detectives Endowment Association President Michael Palladino said forensic and scientific evidence presented during the seven-week trial contradicts the testimony of prosecution witnesses.

    But Paultre Bell's father, Lester Paultre, said, "For those naysayers who say the police was doing their job, they should imagine their child in that car being shot by the police for no reason."

    Paultre Bell, Guzman and Benefield have filed a wrongful-death lawsuit in federal court that has been stayed pending the outcome of the criminal trial. Guzman was shot 16 times, and four bullets, too dangerous to remove, remain in his body, according to his lawyer, Sanford Rubenstein.

    Federal prosecutors in the Eastern District of New York have been monitoring the trial. In the event of an acquittal, it is likely authorities would conduct a review to determine whether there were any civil rights violations.

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    they can still sue in civil court for monetary compensation, which is a lot more likely to be awarded then a conviction in a criminal court.
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    You can't tell if it's something like Rodney king which is clearly a case of police brutality or if its just Officers who got jumpy and a poor unfortunate sap who has to pay the price.

    The only thing to do is acknowledge that it's a sad story, and hope the NYPD takes measures to make this sort of thing never occur again.

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    Still.... 50 shots in an unarmed guy who was trying to flee from the people with the guns (the po-po) in the first place.
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    It's not hard to see how misfortunate the whole thing played out... but 50 rounds unfortunate?

    To be that excitable they must have been not getting laid or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    It's not hard to see how misfortunate the whole thing played out... but 50 rounds unfortunate?

    To be that excitable they must have been not getting laid or something...
    Quite right, 31 rounds shot by one man seems a tad excessive to say the least.

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    I hope this doesn't derail the thread but...

    I had a coworker(caucasian) once ask if I wanted to go swim with sharks. I told him, "no, I get enough stimulation just going home from work"...

    He didn't understand it...

    Another co-worker(I think he was from Chechnya(sp) or some other war torn eastern European area) tried to explain that in some communities simply going to the store and making it back home is enough adventure for a lifetime...

    When we step outside here in the good ole USofA......

    31 times? I mean...what was he shooting at? Isn't the radio faster than a bullet? Even if the guy was fleeing couldn't someone just radio another car and say, "dumb kid headed your way..." Did they think he was going to go Super-Saiyan or something?

    What do the other defendants records have to do with whether or not the police were wrong to shoot this boy? What does their demeanor on the stand have to do with whether or not the police were wrong?

    Why do people have to act a certain way(called shuckin'-n-jivin') just to get treated fairly? If they were lying that's one thing, but the article includes their demeanor and records as being factors for the decision...

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    It would have been a different story if he'd been driving away, but apparently he started driving towards them and they got jumpy. What I don't like is that they were undercover cops, so it's easy to see why the man panicked and tried to get away. Anyway, as the guy in the article said, there's no winners and no losers in this one.

    They could try suing for monetary compensation though.
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    From what I've heard the place was being investigated because of cocaine dealing and that all the people that went there in the first place weren't the kind you'd like to see in a dark alley way.
    All this info is from a well informed source though.
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    One woman shouted at a black police officer, "How can you be proud to wear that uniform? Stand down! Stop working for the masters!"
    FFS... Everytime a black guy dies we get this crap. Screw that.

    But the detectives thought Bell was trying to run down one of them, according to their lawyers, believed that their lives were in danger and started shooting.
    I can see that happening. These guys were, after all, risking their necks for the common good. If i was in their shoes i would go full blast too if there was a perception of danger to me or my mates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Portuguese Rebel View Post
    FFS... Everytime a black guy dies we get this crap. Screw that.



    I can see that happening. These guys were, after all, risking their necks for the common good. If i was in their shoes i would go full blast too if there was a perception of danger to me or my mates.
    considering he was likely lying on the floor in a pool of blood from just you know...one bullet.

    50 rounds....

    how eaxctly did they get off. thats just insane.

    this one surived

    Guzman was shot 16 times
    16 times! for christ sake. ing crazy trigger happy bastards eh...
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    When the adrenaline is pumping and your heart rate sky rockets some people have a tendency to let off more than they should. This is unfortunate because no matter how much you train someone you never know how theyll really react until they really get into something. Then you can truly trust that person based on their response to pressured situations.

    I don't like the sound of it. That many times means they reloaded and kept firing which means they were completely throttled by what was going and freaked. Which says they probably aren't that well trained in the first place. But hindsight is always 20/20.

    We're always trained to use the mozambique drill (ie shoot two to the chest one to the head) but this was never practiced in combat. It was always shoot him till he goes down and the threat is neutralized. The only thing is it's hard to see a real threat here, but you can't say that accurately without having been there.

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    it cant be the new rodney king because 2 out of the 3 cops were black.....


    still, this is a shame, accidentally shot to death right before your wedding...

    my condolences to his surviving fiance and child

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    according to CNN, the Judge said he simply didn't believe the prosecution witnesses...he thought they had no credibility...

    this is a very old and reputable judge, who had convicted cops before.

    he said from the body language and history of prosecutor witnesses, he didn't believe those people.
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    so who shot that guy then if the judge didnt think it was the 3 cops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA View Post
    so who shot that guy then if the judge didnt think it was the 3 cops?
    no, i think the judge was questiong about waht the witness said, that they were driving peacefully and doing nothing whehn the cops started firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RZZZA View Post
    so who shot that guy then if the judge didnt think it was the 3 cops?
    The trial wasn't for if the cops shot the guys, it was about if they were wrong or not. Anyway, It's a matter like from years ago that Amidi guy who got shot 18 times or something, guy made a bad move when confronted by cops in a bad area. Now since the only witnesses were the guys shot and the cops, I'm sure we can't really be sure the real story.
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    The biggest bull i've ever seen.
    This is going to turn into an American ban guns thread.

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