"You are not my King"

[Dag]

Hello all I am new to the board and have a question about SS6.

I am playing the Holy Roman Empire and a lot of Generals are getting going from a very high loyal rating to rebel status.

I figured out that this nice you are not my King trait has something to do with it.

How is ist possibel to conter this?

Or ever better is there a way to remove it from the trait list at all?

[Naked Emperor]

A watery tart distributing swords is no basis for goverment!

I have never gotten the trait, but getting rid of the king might fix it

[Marcus Fulvius]

if you're generals get this trait, its because your king picked up the "incites civil war" trait (which causes your generals to gain/lose loyalty VERY fast, your generals will become either royalists who are supremely loyal to the crown, supporter or dissenters, who can go either way, or usurpers who are the problem)...

ive found this is most often caused by bribing enemy generals to your side alot, when your king doesn't have a high chivalry rating... they (the bribed guys) tend to usually have fairly low loyalty to start with, and it can just keep getting worse if you don't keep them close to your capital/king.

and it just keeps getting worse... unless you either put the rebeling generals on ships really fast, suicide them by forcing them to fight losing battles, or figure out some way to get their loyalty up fast.

one turn before their settlements/armies go rebel, the generals will refuse to obey your commands (won't move out of settlements or let new forces in... won't move their armies or fight for you)... after that, well, its civil war.

[shenryyr]

In the game, keep your leader's chivalry high and your other generals typically will like him and be loyal. No guarantees though, every general is their own person with their own personality.

Also, don't adopt ANYONE, ever, and don't promote proven field commanders to generals. Any time you gain a general that is not part of your family tree(son, grandson, etc), your generals lose loyalty.

And lastly, use your generals in battle. Don't sit them in settlements or stand still on the map very long or their loyalty will drop because they feel unappreciated.

[Tetsu]

I've adopted people and never had problems with rebellious generals... :S

[Dag]

Thank you for the quick answers.

Well I guess the trait is new in SS6

I never had it in vanilla or SS5.1

It came with a big surprise that in turn 1 my General in Vienna moved form almost full loyality to rebel.

That seems a bit harsh to me there should be a note or something that General "abc" is not comfortable with his position so you can work on it. But at the moment you habe absolutly no control over it.

Alas if the is a way to remove that trait for good I would be thankfull to hear how that is be done

[shenryyr]

I've adopted people and never had problems with rebellious generals... :S

it's just one of the ways they lose loyalty

[Tetsu]

it's just one of the ways they lose loyalty

Ahhh one OF. Therefore if I follow other techniques to keep loyalty high I won't have an issue.

Also, when generals get put as lord of castle/city x, do they have to be in that city to get the additional tax bonus? Or does it work on any city.

[shenryyr]

Ahhh one OF. Therefore if I follow other techniques to keep loyalty high I won't have an issue.

Also, when generals get put as lord of castle/city x, do they have to be in that city to get the additional tax bonus? Or does it work on any city.

As far as I've seen it's cumulative. The bonuses and deficiencies like increased movement or reduced piety certainly are cumulative -- try putting a general in a city, check the tax rate, then drop more governor's seals on him (drag and drop from another general), and you should see the tax income changing each time. Careful, though, don't give bad ones that reduce loyalty or whatnot or you might wind up with a rebel on your hands

[Chim]

In the game, keep your leader's chivalry high and your other generals typically will like him and be loyal. No guarantees though, every general is their own person with their own personality.

Also, don't adopt ANYONE, ever, and don't promote proven field commanders to generals. Any time you gain a general that is not part of your family tree(son, grandson, etc), your generals lose loyalty.

And lastly, use your generals in battle. Don't sit them in settlements or stand still on the map very long or their loyalty will drop because they feel unappreciated.

A big difference between dread and chivalry between the king and generals also triggers the trait so be careful with that.

[war927]

Also, don't adopt ANYONE, ever, and don't promote proven field commanders to generals. Any time you gain a general that is not part of your family tree(son, grandson, etc), your generals lose loyalty.

These suggestions are a good way to get your faction to drop off the face of the earth very quickly. In my Templar Campaign, the original faction leader had only 1 son, and his son has no children. So adopting no one would have led to the death of my faction since I'm on about turn 70 and the faction heir turned king has never had a son.

I'd also like to note that I have adopted about 10 Generals thus far, and have very few Generals with chivalrous traits (I prefer to execute prisoners, sack settlements, and exterminate populations) and have not lost a single General to loyalty yet.

Here's my suggestion, keep an eye out for roaming diplomats, because when you have low loyalty, you'll probably find that your Generals are easilly bribed. Keep an assassin on hand to murder everyone on the map that gives you the stink eye.

[shenryyr]

These suggestions are a good way to get your faction to drop off the face of the earth very quickly.

haha, yeah right... check the 'post your empires' thread, I haven't come close to losing a campaign..0

The templars are a very tiny faction so of course they have little family. To build more, get marriage alliances, or just adopt one or two guys and then start your family there. It's not hard.

[Badg3r]

And lastly, use your generals in battle. Don't sit them in settlements or stand still on the map very long or their loyalty will drop because they feel unappreciated.

by almeans use them in battle, but don't send them on crusades, as i have always found that causes them to loose loads of loyalty being so far away
one of mine has fill camand/chivalry and almost full piaty, but no loyalty of any kind
luckily he never switched, and eventualy became king actualy, for only about a year or two though befor he died of old age

[born2dive67]

another way to have your generals like your king is for the king to win battles, even against rebels. the kings Authority also plays a part in how the others perceive him. Low Authority and he is despised, high Authority and they love him.

As for the lord of a certain city, I have not paid close attention to what the title description says, In DLV you can arrow over the title and it tells you what the bonises are for the title so try that, but i would imagine it gives tax bonuses but only while the one with the title is present.

I wouldn't take titles from a general as that will cause his loyalty to go down, and very fast. That is a sure way to get a rebel govenor on your hands. If a general has low loyalty put him with the king and fight a few battles that will pick it up pretty good.

[Quark]

Dag
It is by intention that HRE has issues with revolt, because, well historically they did - please see Investiture Controversy. However I am working on a new events system which will explain the whys and werefores of this and other things, as well as what to do about it.

At present the difficulties effect the Ai as well as player, but really only the player should get this as they are far smarter than the Ai.

Hopefully I will be able to give each faction a initial problem to deal with, adding to the differences between playing factions.

[Dag]

Well Quark that is ture for sure but in the curent state it is a fun killer vor me.
I like to play the HRE und there is no way to tell waht`s going on or why.
As I said in turn one from full to null without any "visibil" reason ist not funny at least not for me

[tup]

Does Loyalty also drop if I let my princesses marry other faction's generals?
I'm not that far in my 6.0 game, around turn 60 and didn't notice Loyalty problems. But I'm not warring atm, my king is more of a douchebag (guess I'll let him take out the rebel armies around) and I have quite a large family with like 1/4 or so being outlandish generals.

[Bacon!]

I always make my two main generals my king and heir so the king always has good authority and the heir is of to a good start with authority when he does become king. Never adopt generals either, perhaps why i havnt actually seen this trait

[Dag]

Well if I got Quark right that is a trait wich comes only with the HRE Generals.

In my England and Teutonic games I never saw that trait.

Just start a Game as HRE and watch how you Generals start to get that.
Usaly you see it first then a City/Castle starts to revolt and in the last turn you had over 135% of loyalty.

You General then has 0 loyalty and has the " Your are not my King" trait.
He dose not turn Rebel at this point.
Move him out of the city wich then has again good loyalty again.

Your General has no movement and just standts outsid the city/castle you cant move him or anything.

Maybye you can move him as soon his King stacks with him (have not tried that yet).

Maybe at some point they realy turn rebel but that has not happened till now.

Anyway it look`s kind of strange then half your generals stand infront of the Cities and do simply do no think.

[ReichMaster420]

the hre's kaiser starts with traits that offend the nobility and then turn into traits that start civil war..

i know, it sucks.. at first i was wondering what the hell, then saw the trait that the kaiser starts with..

maybe its for some sort of historical accuracy? i dunno..

if you want, you can simply remove the trait from the descr_strat, but you need to start a new campaign