Obama's preacher again

[Dunecat]

This guy returns on tv recently, to defend his arguments, which couldn't come at a worse time for Obama.

I am about to blow a head gasket but I figured I give ya'll the first go at analysis...

[bushbush]

This guy returns on tv recently, to defend his arguments, which couldn't come at a worse time for Obama.

I am about to blow a head gasket but I figured I give ya'll the first go at analysis...

hey man, the dude is just standing up to what he believes in. Obama doesn't like it, just distance himself from the preacher.

[Aziel]

hey man, the dude is just standing up to what he believes in. Obama doesn't like it, just distance himself from the preacher.

But the picture of him and Obama being close freinds is already coined in people's mind, and he is just making it stronger.

[H_man]

People who fail to understand why Obama went to that church for long fail to understand the African American religious community.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[RZZZA]

and once again, reverend wright is speaking truth on T.V., and nobody cares to listen, they just focus on the scandal.

Tell us what rev wright was SAYING on T.V.

he was saying that america doesnt want to hear that we have blood on our hands.

[Aristophanes]

and once again, reverend wright is speaking truth on T.V., and nobody cares to listen, they just focus on the scandal.

Tell us what rev wright was SAYING on T.V.

he was saying that america doesnt want to hear that we have blood on our hands.

Do 'we'? Do you? Does America?

The so-called reverend wright is not 'speaking the truth' by any stretch of the imagination, he is manipulating black people in present day America as a grievance monger, recklessly profiting from the suffering of people he never knew, and using this phony crusade of his to fund a lavish 1.6 million dollar house in a gated Chicago community. (paid for with money tithed from his congregation)
He is a typical populist, drawing benefit by demonizing a group of people, and, of course, in reinforcing a cult of victimhood, aggression, and bitterness, ensures his congregation will never heal whatever real or imagined wounds it has sustained.

Is is really 'true' that Israel developed a genetic bomb that kills only Arabs? Is it really true that America developed AIDS to kill the black man? Is his hate speech against gays true? Is his hate speech against present-day Americans true?

Or is it possible that this entire ridiculous laundry list of faux grievances is utter ? You decide.

[Chaigidel]

no , rev wright hasnt said one goddamn thing incorrectly he has only offended the sensibility of self righteous cockswafflers.

[RZZZA]

hes said many incorrect things but also many correct things

[Chaigidel]

should we even start to look at hagee or parsley's word both supporters of mccain? they are both far more bigoted and hateful than any terrorist.

[Aristophanes]

should we even start to look at hagee or parsley's word both supporters of mccain? they are both far more bigoted and hateful than any terrorist.

So, McCain has been alternating Sundays for 20 years in their churches? Fascinating...No one necessarily chooses their supporters, but people certainly choose their 'mentors', their 'pastors', and the churches they go to, thereby implicitly validating the messages therein displayed, or implicitly censuring them by refusing to attend.

america does have blood in its' hands, are chickens have come home to roost, there was institutionalized racism in this country and it does still affect us to this day.

What is this America you speak of, who is it, and how does it have 'blood' on its metaphorical hands. This is a clear case of the 'sins of the father', but in this case it's 'the attributed sins of whatever % of people supported racist policies', without giving any recognizance of all the people who fought slavery, and all the people who fought America's apartheid. Does 'America have blood on its hands', or do some Americans, past and present, have blood on their hands? You're both making a generalization, and equivocation which is invalid and injust.
There is currently recognition of the harm done by slavery, and apartheid...no one seriously disputes that today...it is quite another thing to deliberately foment hatred, and derive personal profit, from throwing salt in old wounds, rather than preaching a positive and useful message. What of the propensity of blacks today to kill each other? Where does he speak on that truth, or does he only speak on convenient truths?

I dont like rev wright either, i dont like preachers, I dont like the idea of mixing politics with religion.

But you're quite willing to make a knee-jerk defense of the indefensible?

but i also know organized religion does a lot of good, it placates peoples suffering, it does charity work. Rev wright is a marine for example, why in this instance should we discount a soldiers sacrifice?

you dont support the troops aristophanes, thats messed up.

How is this relevant to anything?

[RZZZA]

you rattled off everything he was wrong about but why dont i rattle off everything hes right about.

america does have blood on its' hands, our chickens have come home to roost, there was institutionalized racism in this country and it does still affect us to this day.

I dont like rev wright either, i dont like obnoxious preachers, I dont like the idea of mixing politics with religion.

but i also know organized religion does a lot of good, it placates peoples suffering, it does charity work. Rev wright is a marine for example, why in this instance should we discount a soldiers sacrifice?

you dont support the troops aristophanes, thats messed up.

[Chaigidel]

other than the aids thing rev wright talks like every other religious leader in america, thats my point, you just wouldnt be hearing if obama was a white chap attending hagee's church for the past 40 years.

yall just cant stand the idea of a brotha gettin ahead, just like OJ clearly.

[Aristophanes]

other than the aids thing rev wright talks like every other religious leader in america, thats my point, you just wouldnt be hearing if obama was a white chap attending hagee's church for the past 40 years.

yall just cant stand the idea of a brotha gettin ahead, just like OJ clearly.

Are you trolling, or actually serious? I can't tell.

yeah, free tookie

You're clearly trolling.

[RZZZA]

yeah, free tookie

[Chaigidel]

half serious half joke no troll

serious about if he was white we wouldnt have heard a goddamn thing about his preacher, no matter what he said, not serious about this being like OJ

[RZZZA]

clearly, because this is so ridiculous i didnt realize you wanted me to reply for srsrly.

ok, for srsrsly, john mccain DID go out of his way to seek john Hagees endorsement, knowing full well what a tool that man is. knowing full well his retarded stance on the catholic church and on new orleans.

i see no difference between wright and hagee

[Aristophanes]

clearly, because this is so ridiculous i didnt realize you wanted me to reply for srsrly.

ok, for srsrsly, john mccain DID go out of his way to seek john Hagees endorsement, knowing full well what a tool that man is. knowing full well his retarded stance on the catholic church and on new orleans.

i see no difference between wright and hagee

Although any attempt to substantiate the efforts made by McCain to get Hagee's endorsement amounts to speculation, I still find it hard to believe you can make such an obviously flawed parallel between seeking an endorsement for possible political gain, and patiently sitting through radical, unmoderated and hate-filled drivel for 10-15 years, whilst describing the purveyor of drivel as a 'mentor'. There is no parallel there.

I agree that Hagee is as worthy of ridicule as Wright, but, at the same time, I can't help but think that Wright will do more harm.

[RZZZA]

youre focusing too much on wrights negative comments, obama has already explained that the charicature thats been made of wright in the media is not accurate, He's explained how wright brought him to his religion, how he was there for him when he was getting married, hes explained how wright was a marine who fought for our country.

why that isnt enough for people to realize that wright isnt 100% pure unadulterated evil, i dont know. nuance, people,....

[Aristophanes]

youre focusing too much on wrights negative comments, obama has already explained that the charicature thats been made of wright in the media is not accurate, He's explained how wright brought him to his religion, how he was there for him when he was getting married, hes explained how wright was a marine who fought for our country.

How does that make anything Wright said any less deplorable? If you used the same arguments to excuse murder, you would be ashamed.

why that isnt enough for people to realize that wright isnt 100% pure unadulterated evil, i dont know. nuance, people,....

The evil, as most people see it, is that a politician who claims to be a uniter, who claims to move beyond race, has spent the last many years on Sunday mornings listening to this most divisive, hateful and prejudiced man, and never once repudiating those expressions, either by refusing to attend, or by any other act of genuine censure.

[RZZZA]

what has he said thats so deplorable, it may be ignorant or his facts may be wrong, but i dont find anything hes said to be deplorable.

barack is not rev wright, just like George W. Bush was not Billy Bush. Think of Wright as the embarrassing family member you cant disown, but have to kind of hide somewhere so he doesnt embarrass you by opening his mouth.

why should he disown wright? all he has to say is he disagrees with some of his remarks, thats enough for me.