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    Excellent news, and it's also representative of some forward thinking on some Sec. Gates' part.

    Handing the reins of CENTCOM over to an Army officer at this point in time also reflects that the US is going to remain committed geo-strategically in the MidEast well into 2009, regardless of whether Bush's successor issues a troop drawdown or not.

    Half the reasons for why people speculated that the US was going to attack Iran when Fallon was nominated for the post before was because he had previously headed up the US Pacific Command, and that the USN was to be used as the main offensive asset in some military campaign against them.

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    By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer 1 hour, 51 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - President Bush is promoting his top Iraq commander, Army Gen. David Petraeus, and replacing him with the general's recent deputy, keeping the U.S. on its war course and handing the next president a pair of combat-tested commanders who have relentlessly defended Bush's strategies.

    Bush will nominate Petraeus to replace Navy Adm. William J. Fallon as chief of U.S. Central Command, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced Wednesday. The command's area of responsibility features some of the most vexing military and foreign policy problems facing this administration and its successor — including Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, parts of Africa and Afghanistan in addition to Iraq.

    Fallon resigned last month, saying news reports that he was at odds with the White House over Iran policy had become a distraction. He was the first Navy officer to lead Central Command; the Petraeus choice represents a return to the more common practice of making it an Army slot.

    Petraeus would be succeeded at a pivotal time in Baghdad by Army Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, who was the No. 2 commander in Iraq for 15 months. He has been credited by many with deftly managing security gains that Petraeus told Congress this month have opened a pathway for potential political progress in the country.

    Gates said he hoped the Senate would act on both nominations by next month and expected Petraeus to switch to the Central Command job, which is based in Tampa, Fla., by late summer or early fall.

    That is the point at which Petraeus is likely to make an initial recommendation to Gates and to Bush on whether conditions in Iraq are stable enough to permit a further reduction in U.S. troop levels.

    The United States has about 160,000 troops in Iraq and about 28,000 in Afghanistan. The strain of those wars has taken a heavy toll on U.S. ground forces.

    Among the politically sensitive questions Petraeus would face as head of Central Command is whether the military focus on Iraq is limiting what U.S. and allied forces can accomplish in Afghanistan. And he would be pressed on the matter of using military force against Iran.

    The next president taking office in January would not be compelled to keep either Petraeus or Odierno, but normally the lineup of senior commanders — as well as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — is not changed with administrations.

    "There is no precedent in U.S. tradition for a new president changing these kinds of officers," said Stephen Biddle, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and an occasional adviser to Petraeus. "For an incoming president to change them (in 2009) would be a real statement."

    Many Republicans, including all-but-certain presidential nominee John McCain, are enthusiastic Petraeus supporters. Democrats on Capitol Hill are not expected to oppose either Petraeus or Odierno, but they are likely to raise tough questions during confirmation hearings.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid noted after Gates' announcement that any war commander must be committed to "implementing major changes in strategy" if directed to do so by a new president.

    "The Senate will carefully examine these nominations, and I will be looking for credible assurances of a strong commitment to implementing a more effective national security strategy," said Reid, D-Nev.

    John Batiste, a retired Army two-star general who was a division commander in Iraq in 2004-05, said in an e-mail exchange that he has confidence in the abilities of Petraeus and Odierno, but he questions whether their experience and expertise can make the crucial difference in the U.S. war on terror.

    "The best military in the world ... cannot redeem a national strategy which fails in the more important diplomatic, political and economic components of strategy and when the nation is not mobilized behind our incredible service men and women," wrote Batiste, who was among the retired officers who spoke out against the war two years ago in what became known as the revolt of the generals.

    At a Pentagon news conference, Gates said he did not foresee that the new lineup at Central Command and in Iraq would mean any changes in the way the U.S. is approaching the issue of Iranian influence in Iraq. Petraeus and Odierno have both accused Iran of aiding rebels opposing U.S. troops.

    "It's my belief that General Odierno and General Petraeus and Admiral Fallon were all in exactly the same position when it came to their views of Iranian interference inside Iraq," Gates said. "And it is a hard position. Because what the Iranians are doing is killing American service men and women inside Iraq."

    Petraeus will face broader aspects of the Iran issue if he is confirmed as Fallon's replacement. A number of U.S. officials, including Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have asserted that Iran also is supplying arms or otherwise supporting the Taliban rebels in Afghanistan.

    Earlier this week, Gates said that while war with Iran would be "disastrous on a number of levels," the military option cannot be abandoned so long as the Iranians remain a potential nuclear threat.

    Many had seen a strong possibility that Gates' senior military assistant, Army Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, would replace Petraeus in Baghdad if Petraeus were nominated for the Central Command job.

    Asked why he had recommended Odierno, Gates said, "General Odierno is known recently to the Iraqi leadership, he's known to the Iraqi generals, he is known to our own people, he has current experience," and so the odds of a smooth transition in Baghdad "are better with him than with anybody else I could identify."

    Odierno, currently commander of the Army's 3rd Corps at Fort Hood, Texas, served as the No. 2 commander in Iraq from December 2006 to February 2008. Chiarelli, who preceded Odierno in that post and then joined Gates' staff, will be nominated as the next vice chief of staff of the Army. Bush had nominated Odierno for that job some months ago; Gates said that nomination will be withdrawn.

    The current Army vice chief of staff, Gen. Richard Cody, is expected to retire this summer.

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    America gonna be in Iraq for a long long time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    America gonna be in Iraq for a long long time...
    Sky is blue, grass is green. Well good to see Petraeus pegged for CENTCOM he certainly deserves it undoubtedly his successor will continue with his strategy in Iraq. While far from perfect its a hell of alot better then what was being done previously.

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    Exactly. Given that the tactics of the Surge are already being implemented in Afghanistan, as well as the "secret" conflicts going on in the Horn of Africa, Petraeus was the best pick for the job.

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    I don't like Petraeus...

    Ex-CIA analyst on Petraeus and Cheney

    Bloody dodgy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    I don't like Petraeus...

    Ex-CIA analyst on Petraeus and Cheney

    Bloody dodgy.
    The piss poor quality of the Iraqi Army, especially at that time was also probably a big, big reason as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    The piss poor quality of the Iraqi Army, especially at that time was also probably a big, big reason as well.
    Yeah definitely performed less then stellar that is for sure but atleast despite that Basra is more or less quiet http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3671861.ece

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    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    I don't like Petraeus...

    Ex-CIA analyst on Petraeus and Cheney

    Bloody dodgy.
    That's interesting. When is the last time the CIA launched a successful military operation that didn't totally backfire?

    General Petreaus, from what I've seen, gets near complete admiration from his troops and much of his peers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    That's interesting. When is the last time the CIA launched a successful military operation that didn't totally backfire?
    You never hear about the successes of the CIA for a reason... Either way it's irrelevant - that man has experience and wisdom.

    General Petreaus, from what I've seen, gets near complete admiration from his troops and much of his peers.
    He is also never portrayed negatively by the mainstream media - or anyone holding power in the US save Bush. Funny that.

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    Petraeus is a smart guy. He reminds of a British Officer during colonial rule. He knows who to pay and who to fight.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Petraeus is a smart guy. He reminds of a British Officer during colonial rule. He knows who to pay and who to fight.
    Hehe probably a good description, keep those who will compromise close and pay them off and kill the rest. The carrot and stick method despite being ancient often still works well.

    christ you bastards really do think you own all of us dont you.

    Well you.

    that map embodies american arrogance
    *yawn* nothing to see here move along
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    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    He is also never portrayed negatively by the mainstream media - or anyone holding power in the US save Bush. Funny that.
    Which mainstream media? From what I see he gets pretty good reviews generally, he is also respected by most of Congress. But yea let your bias control reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Which mainstream media? From what I see he gets pretty good reviews generally, he is also respected by most of Congress. But yea let your bias control reality.
    You don't seem to want to believe that he is capable of wrong doing. Like that video suggested.

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    Default Re: General Petraeus tapped to direct Iraq & Afghan wars as head of US Central Command

    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    He is also never portrayed negatively by the mainstream media - or anyone holding power in the US save Bush. Funny that.
    Maybe it's because his service record is absolutely stellar ?

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    Very good to see.

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    Ahahaha. That's funny considering after the US lead invasion womens rights in Iraq got worse.

    Interesting fact: Women had equal rights under Saddam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    Ahahaha. That's funny considering after the US lead invasion womens rights in Iraq got worse.

    Interesting fact: Women had equal rights under Saddam.
    Since hardly anyone had any right, I guess we can call that "equal". On the other hand the West has the worrying habit of transforming secular societies into hotbeds of religious fanaticism. A strategy which worked wonders in Iran.

    (which is a different country from Iraq but I guess everyone knows this by now; for how long it will stay a different country, well, that's anyone's guess)

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    Quote Originally Posted by whhyy View Post
    Ahahaha. That's funny considering after the US lead invasion womens rights in Iraq got worse.

    Interesting fact: Women had equal rights under Saddam.
    Equal share of nothing is nothing.

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    Baghdad, Iraq - Women in Iraq are enduring great hardships. Since the fall of Saddam, despite attempts to improve women’s rights, many feel their rights are slipping. Under Saddam women were considered to be equal under the law. With the collapse of the government after the invasion in 2003, militias have gained greater and greater ground.
    Steps backward: Women’s rights in Iraq

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    Let me get this straight: women who under Saddam had equal rights to men under the law (=nothing, since Saddam was not exactly fond of the rule of law) now have less than nothing.

    Before:

    You have the right to remain silent for ever. Anything you could imagine can and will be used against you repeatedly in a court or in the basement of the ministry. You have the right to dream of an attorney, and to have an attorney dreaming of you during any questioning. If you cannot afford rope, one bullet will be provided for you at government expense.


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    You have the right to post videos on youtube. Anything you say can and will be disregarded. You have the right to speak to an American journalist, and to have an American journalist present during any botched search and apprehend operation. If you cannot afford to live here anymore, one country like Syria or Iran will be provided for you at the US taxpayer's expense. And now wear your hijab, woman.
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