Cuman Khanates religion to Golden Horde

[Mao-buhao-Daokakao]

Well, i've noticed that Cumans have religion of Sky-Father (Tengri)
And it's perfect

But, after that i've noticed that Mongols are still muslims.
As Golden Horde adopted Islam in 1312... is it possible to move religion of Cumans to Golden Horde?

Which descr-file should be modified?

[Aum]

I would also like to see a solution to this issue from someone who has the know-how. I always felt that that the assignment of Islam to the Mongols was a lazy relic from vanilla Medieval II and was hoping to see a change somewhere down the line in one of the mods. I can understand it for the Timurids but the Mongols really should not be Muslim at the time of their entry in Medieval II's timeline.

The addition of the Cuman Khanate gave me great hope that the Mongols would also have their religion changed. It would make all the difference if in the world if we could just change it to that of the Cumans. The campaign would be so much more historical as the Muslim states would then have to vie with a truly foreign invader. Again, if someone could even just point us in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.

[IceBeast]

Don't quote me on this as the only modification, I only going on guesses here.

Open descr_sm_factions
Search for mongols.
There you'll see religion and it is set to islam. You can change it to pagan similar to the cumans above them. However I do not know how this will effect there religious building construction capability, if at all (I doubt it will fix religious buildings).

[gewehr36]

Don't quote me on this as the only modification, I only going on guesses here.

Open descr_sm_factions
Search for mongols.
There you'll see religion and it is set to islam. You can change it to pagan similar to the cumans above them. However I do not know how this will effect there religious building construction capability, if at all (I doubt it will fix religious buildings).

You need to do that in addition to editing the buildings files. I love being friends with the Mongols but I can't stand being friendly with Muslims.

[Caesar Clivus]

Just as a quick cursory glance at the game files I'd say you need to do the following:

1. In data\descr_sm_factions.txt, change the religion of the Mongols to Pagan.

2. In data\descr_models_strat.txt, copy the cuman entry for Pagan Priests and rename for Mongols. Also delete the mongol entry for Imams.

3. In export_descr_buildings.txt, remove the mongols from the list of factions able to build the Muslim religious buildings and add them to the Cuman pagan temples.

There may be more you have to do, but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

Oh, I actually have a skin for a mongol pagan priest which I made ages ago if you want me to upload it.

[Aum]

Many thanks all around for the quick replies!

Caesar Clivus
You made your own Mongol priest? That's awesome!

Playing as the Mongols, I always felt a bit weird sending imams and building mosques when the Mongols destroyed the mighty Khwarezmid Empire in just two years and later wiped Baghdad off the map for centuries after they razed it to the ground.

I'm not at all confident in my modding skills but I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Thanks again everyone.

[gewehr36]

Many thanks all around for the quick replies!

Caesar Clivus
You made your own Mongol priest? That's awesome!

Playing as the Mongols, I always felt a bit weird sending imams and building mosques when the Mongols destroyed the mighty Khwarezmid Empire in just two years and later wiped Baghdad off the map for centuries after they razed it to the ground.

I'm not at all confident in my modding skills but I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Thanks again everyone.

Well I'm going to start a Cuman campaign and since the Mongols will be my neighbors I'll work on the files right now and change them to pagan. I'll post a link to the files when I'm done.

[gewehr36]

Caesar Clivus can you upload the texture?

[Quixote]

So how does worship of the Sky Father differ from the other 3 religions? I seem to remember Conan's archer friend in the first movie (Arnold is my governator) praying to the Sky Father...

Anyone have a synopsis of the religion in the game?

[gewehr36]

So how does worship of the Sky Father differ from the other 3 religions? I seem to remember Conan's archer friend in the first movie (Arnold is my governator) praying to the Sky Father...

Anyone have a synopsis of the religion in the game?

It has no real use in game. It is historically accurate for Turkic people like the Mongols to worship Tengri instead of Allah (until 1312). This is like having Scotland be Muslim.

[gewehr36]

Ok I edited all the files that Caesar told me to, but when I get ingame the Mongols can still make Islamic buildings and they can still recruit imams that convert people to Islam.

EDIT: The Mongols can do what I said above in addition to building pagan temples if there are no Islamic buildings in the settlement, but they cannot recruit pagan priests. I have also edited the units to require a percentage of pagan religion instead of Islam.

[Caesar Clivus]

Ok I edited all the files that Caesar told me to, but when I get ingame the Mongols can still make Islamic buildings and they can still recruit imams that convert people to Islam.

EDIT: The Mongols can do what I said above in addition to building pagan temples if there are no Islamic buildings in the settlement, but they cannot recruit pagan priests. I have also edited the units to require a percentage of pagan religion instead of Islam.

Ah ha I knew I missed something. By the looks of it you also need to edit the descr_character.txt file in the data directory. Copy the cuman or lithuanian entries into the mongol entry for the priests (they're towards the bottom of the file).

[gewehr36]

Ah ha I knew I missed something. By the looks of it you also need to edit the descr_character.txt file in the data directory. Copy the cuman or lithuanian entries into the mongol entry for the priests (they're towards the bottom of the file).

I just did that before I posted my most recent update. On the map right now the Mongols have an all gray imam with no texture, and I don't know if I can change the model without changing the culture.

[Aum]

gewehr36
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the edited files allow the Mongols to have the pagan religion and can construct pagan religious buildings but are NOT able to recruit priests? As long as the buildings work i.e. convert a percentage of the population, this might work for now.

gewehr36, I'm glad there's at least one other person who finds this oversight distasteful. I actually tried playing the Mongols without constructing any mosques but my empire quickly degenerated into civil revolts! Not seeing the point in being just another Islamic faction, I have chosen simply not to play since. This thread is giving me real hope that I might be able to play this great faction finally.

[gewehr36]

Ok I have an update. I have removed the Islam religion completely from the Mongols, the only things that remain are the Middle Eastern culture models which cannot be removed unless I do some extensive modding, and the imam model. Right now, the Mongols cannot recruit priests, only imams, but the imams that they recruit add to the pagan conversion.

Also, I have left a building called a Madrasa in the Mongol building selection. I'm not sure if this actually happened, but the purpose of the building is to teach about the Quran, and since the Mongols are in Muslim lands, I figured I'd leave it in as a long term movement towards Islam. The building does not have a conversion factor. I'm working on getting the pagan priest model instead of the imam model but I don't know if it's possible without changing the culture.

[Aum]

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm clearing my schedule because as soon as gewehr36 posts his edited files, I'm giving them a whirl for a few hours. I can't wait.

[spanish_emperor]

what about this:

tengir_sanctuary city requires factions { cumans, mongols, }
{
capability
{
agent priest 1 requires factions { cumans, }
recruit_pool "Cuman Horse Archers" 1 0.25 2 1 requires factions { cumans, mongols, }

im changing them based on what you said but i noticed that is says recruit_pool Cuman Horse Archers.....will this allow me to recruit cuman horsearchers as the mongols?

[Semirhage]

i think someone should pm KK to make him aware of the issue so he might fix it in an upcoming patch

[Caesar Clivus]

i think someone should pm KK to make him aware of the issue so he might fix it in an upcoming patch

Well the issue is only an issue with these changes, not with SS itself.

Gewehr: I've worked out how to get around the DO NOT TRANSLATE problem. Go into the SS\data\text folder and open the export_buildings.txt file. Search for "tengir" and you'll find:

{c_tengir_altar_middle_eastern_desc}DO NOT TRANSLATE - NOT MEANT FOR THIS CULTURE
{c_tengir_altar_middle_eastern_desc_short}DO NOT TRANSLATE - NOT MEANT FOR THIS CULTURE

Just clone the actual description or make up your own and it should be fine. There may be more than one instance of it to change too

[gewehr36]

That's what I'm doing right now Caesar. It might not be done until tomorrow as I also have to fix the Imam/Cardinal problem.