Why is the US not doing anything?

[Heinz Guderian]

It seems likely that financial sanctions are doing nothing to hurt Iran (circumventing them has been easy). It still will not give up the right to enrich its own uranium (another cascade milestone was reached). It has been accused of supplying weapons to anti-US fighters in Iraq. More recent mortar attacks on the Green Zone have become effective due to increased training (from somewhere). It supplies Hezbollah and Hamas. And recently a US General has said he's monitoring at least 50 Iranian SpecFor Operatives who crossed the border into Iraq.

All emotions aside, why, in accordance with normal Republican realist conservative policy making, is the US not doing anything? Have the liberals replaced the neo-cons at the Pentagon?

Surely the Americans have more than enough evidence to convince their public that a military response is justified in todays post 911 world?

Let me know if i have to link newspaper links.

[s.rwitt]

Because:

a.) it will piss off alot of Shias in Iraq just when everything is settling down.


b.) This may be shocking to some people here, but it could possibly be that the US IS NOT on some crusade to kill every Muslim in the world. Now I know you feel shocked after reading this, but it is true. There is a very small possibility that the US, I repeat, may NOT be out to invade every country in the world and kill Muslims.

[Heinz Guderian]

Because:

a.) it will piss off alot of Shias in Iraq just when everything is settling down.


b.) This may be shocking to some people here, but it could possibly be that the US IS NOT on some crusade to kill every Muslim in the world. Now I know you feel shocked after reading this, but it is true. There is a very small possibility that the US, I repeat, may NOT be out to invade every country in the world and kill Muslims.

All religious emotions aside, but isnt it really in America's interest to do something about Iran now? Iraq will never become truly pacified with Iran doing what it is doing now. Arms to militias, arms to Hezbollah, arms to Hamas, actual infiltration by armed Iranian nationals into Iraq. The process of rebuilding Iraq and hearts and minds is gonna be more difficult. A nuke programme which seemed pretty docile until we discovered the Arak and Natanz facilities.

How pissed off would the US public be? In terms of International Relations, this is a no brainer right?

[RZZZA]

I believe we're very near the point to a joint israeli-U.S. airstrike on key targets in iran.

or maybe just U.S./U.N./NATO if things arent going as badly.

[Oldgamer]

I believe we're very near the point to a joint israeli-U.S. airstrike on key targets in iran.

or maybe just U.S./U.N./NATO if things arent going as badly.

I agree entirely.

Indeed, I think that the Iranians believe that they could beat off such an airstrike, and are repeatedly provoking the US in the Persian Gulf. There was one such incident, just today.

Like Saddam before them, they will find that they are in error.

[Sharpe's Company]

I agree entirely.

Indeed, I think that the Iranians believe that they could beat off such an airstrike, and are repeatedly provoking the US in the Persian Gulf. There was one such incident, just today.

Like Saddam before them, they will find that they are in error.

Really? An you think that China and Russia will stand by and see their main trader be blown to bits? I very much doubt it.

The US should pull its head out of Israel's arshole for a change, They sunk your ship, The USS Liberty, An gave the Israeli Army better equipment than your own boys in Vietnam had! Wake up these American Jews that run your country don't care about Pvt Oldgamer, But for sure they care about little Avraham sitting in Tel Aviv.

Shouldn't even be a country in the first place, How would you like it, If the Hispanic's created the Republic of California over night? An treated the Anglo-Americans as 2nd class citizens? Pissed off I'd gather, But thats whats happened over in Israel.

Anyhow, I can't wait for Israel to be blown sky high, Go Iran and the Arabs, Get back your land they stole from you.

[christof139]

Really? An you think that China and Russia will stand by and see their main trader be blown to bits? I very much doubt it.

The US should pull its head out of Israel's arshole for a change, They sunk your ship, The USS Liberty, An gave the Israeli Army better equipment than your own boys in Vietnam had! Wake up these American Jews that run your country don't care about Pvt Oldgamer, But for sure they care about little Avraham sitting in Tel Aviv.

Shouldn't even be a country in the first place, How would you like it, If the Hispanic's created the Republic of California over night? An treated the Anglo-Americans as 2nd class citizens? Pissed off I'd gather, But thats whats happened over in Israel.

Anyhow, I can't wait for Israel to be blown sky high, Go Iran and the Arabs, Get back your land they stole from you.

If i recall correctly the USS Liberty wasn't sunk but was shot up pretty bad but it did fire back at the Israeli jets. It was a mistake.

Why is it that you claim 'these American Jews run your country' ??? is it because you think every jew is rich!???! Funny I've know Jewish truckdrivers, teachers, infantrymen etc., and they weren't rich or running our country.

Spain conquered Mexico, and the ruling class in Mexico was and is of Spanish descent and not of ethnic Mexican Indian descent. After the mexican American War, in which many Mexicans supported the USA, the USA paif Spain $15 million and back then that was a huge amount of money.

So, if Hispanic radicals attempted to take over California and/or the southwest USA, they would be stopped from doing so.

BTW, the Arabs stole the lands that today compose isreal, Palestine and Lebannon and Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Iraq etc. from the mainly indigenous Christian population starting in the 600's. You should read some more unbiased history books etc. The Arabs are from the Arabian Penninsula and are not indigenous to any of these countries.

chris


Chris

[Senno]

We are fighting a war with one arm tied behind our back. No draft, economy not exactly on a WWII style footing, etc.

We actually could do a lot more if forced to. I don't see any call from the world to do so myself.

Time will tell if we "have" to deal with Iran.

[RZZZA]

I'm already hearing the topic of iran being hyped a bit in the media, as a backthought, but still. The administration is hyping it, i believe Bush wants to do something before leaving office. He's been talking about it, and he's right for once. The problem is that the public is in no mood for more war, especially not from bush. Congress and senate acknowledge the threat and the prevailing wisdom is that iran is very close to gaining nuclear capabilities and that we must not let them.

What we're prepared to do is up in the air, but ahmedinejad has threatened israel with a nuclear strike and i think in that scenario a joint U.S./Israeli airstrike on irans nuclear facilities is whats going to happen

[Tajir]

I agree with RZZZA, any day now I'm expecting a joint US/Israeli-led massacre in Iran.

[Kamos]

Our military is pushed to the limit as it is and if you think Bush could squeeze out another war with his approval ratings you might want to seek medical help Guderian.

[RZZZA]

Our military is pushed to the limit as it is and if you think Bush could squeeze out another war with his approval ratings you might want to seek medical help Guderian.

never understimate the powers of fear coupled with truth.

bush is right on target for once, i believe iran is close to gaining nuclear capabilities. The question is what will they do with it. I think its very unlikely ahmedinajed will go ahead with his threat and actually nuke israel, he knows thats suicide. But i have no doubt iran will sell nuclear materials to rogue groups and who knows what theyll do with a bomb, from who knows where.

Who here thinks ahmedinajad is stable enough to have nukes?

[Serious Spamurai]

Not too sure about the Iranians supplying Hamas, although their training and support of Hizbullah is well known and has been going on since its foundation. Interestingly enough, Iran backed 2 of the factions that made up of the northern alliance, I don't think they still do though, this included Jamiaat-i-Islami yi Afghanistan.

[RZZZA]

why is that a massacre, theyre striking irans nuclear facilities with smart bombs, justifiably so in that scenario imo.

[Tajir]

why is that a massacre, theyre striking irans nuclear facilities with smart bombs, justifiably so in that scenario imo.

The same smart bombs used in shock-and-awe? :hmmm:

[RZZZA]

The same smart bombs used in shock-and-awe? :hmmm:

it's better than carpet bombing.

I mean its war, theres no pleasant or humane war.

[ajm317]

The best thing for the U.S. to do is nothing. Sooner or later the Israeli's will deal with Iran's nuclear program for us and then we're off the hook in the international community.

[RZZZA]

The best thing for the U.S. to do is nothing. Sooner or later the Israeli's will deal with Iran's nuclear program for us and then we're off the hook in the international community.

not really, the U.S. is partly the thing keeping israel back, actually. We'd very much be ON the hook if israel does anything.

[ajm317]

not really, the U.S. is partly the thing keeping israel back, actually. We'd very much be ON the hook if israel does anything.

Not in the same way as we would be if we did it ourselves.

[RZZZA]

Not in the same way as we would be if we did it ourselves.

the problem is that if israel were to come under threat as a result, everyone knows the U.S. would come to their aid.

So its really impossible to separate israel from america...