Presidential Election Thread Take X + 1

[Farnan]

You know the drill...

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He's the most liberal us senator. Just because you are farther left then him doesn't mean that he isn't fyi.

It's relative. Relative to Neoconservatives of the US and UK, and of the centre-right democrats yes, he is liberal. But the part of the party him and his colleagues (like Biden) occupy is more like the centre of the political spectrum, bringing balance to the force.

I mean, providing for the interests of unions and national business in addition to the decentralization of political power.

So while he's more liberal than most of the US senate, that only makes him a centrist, at best really.

Yes you're right, congress authorized the war and many of those who authorized it were democrats (John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, etc...). I've never denied that.




Who's "you people"? I haven't made any claims on which policy is better, I'm just drawing the comparisons to Bush that will be made in a general election.




The point is that some people have lost hope in having the government look after their economic interests so they vote on gun rights instead. I find it interesting that you can somehow see his heart and know "what he truly believes".

So Obama makes one gaffe and it's "what he truly believes"? Mccain has confused Sunni and Shia several times. By your standards, I could use this gaffe to see into Mccain's mind and claim he doesn't understand the Middle-east.

You mean that all the rich people are supporting Barry?



Actually, it's the other way around. I seriously hope that you keep underestimating John McCain. This is NOT a GOP year. However, I seriously suspect that it is a McCain year.

But then, why should you listen to me. I'm seriously deluded ...

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[Chaigidel]

Obama to win by 100 delegates in primary and by 8 percent in general

thats my spread.

[Oldgamer]

Obama to win by 100 delegates in primary and by 8 percent in general

thats my spread.

Obama to barely win in brokered Convention, and McCain wins by about 10 points, in the General.

However, if Clinton wins in brokered Convention, McCain will win about 40 states, including at least about 3 of the big blue states. He might even win Illinois and California.

[RZZZA]

Obama coasts to the nomination shortly after pennsylvania as hillary is pressured by the math to endorse obama. Obama to win by 10 to 15% in the general

[Big War Bird]

Obama coasts to the nomination shortly after pennsylvania as hillary is pressured by the math to endorse obama.

What makes you think Hillary wants the demonrat party united? She already can't win, its been like that for a month. She is out to cripple Obama so after he loses to McCain, she can come back in four years and say, "see I told you he couldn't win, nominate me."

Obama to win by 10 to 15% in the general

Put the cup down and step away from the Kool-Aid.

[Mongooose]

What makes you think Hillary wants the demonrat party united? She already can't win, its been like that for a month. She is out to cripple Obama so after he loses to McCain, she can come back in four years and say, "see I told you he couldn't win, nominate me."

The saddest thing about that theory is its believable.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Definitely McCain. If Obama wins by fewer delegates than Florida and Michigan would have been worth, Clinton supporters will be outraged. If Clinton wins it will mean that it was only by super delegates, and I think Oldgamer put it best.

[RZZZA]

you think the republicans are going to take the white house for the 3rd term in a row?

LOL, fat chance

[Tiberius Tosi]

you think the republicans are going to take the white house for the 3rd term in a row?

LOL, fat chance

Well if the Dems. keep on hating each other like they are now, then yes. Six months ago I would have said McCain would win only because I wanted him to. Now I say he will possibly win because he ACTUALLY can. Keep in mind Congress is Dem. controlled and has a lower popularity than Bush

[Oldgamer]

you think the republicans are going to take the white house for the 3rd term in a row?

LOL, fat chance

"Fat chance" is not an argument ...

[RZZZA]

keep in mind that its highly improbable the american people would let the white house go repub again, after 8 years of abuse. It's highly improbable they would vote against change, no matter how mccain postures himself he cant get away from the notion that he is the candidate of washington and of the status quo. He is the guy who champions an occupation that 70% of americans want to end sooner rather than 100 years later.

and all dems have to do is keep replaying that 100 years line.

and keep in mind that obama's base is highly energized, motivated and his campaign is so far raising money hand over fist.

[RZZZA]

im just saying its very improbable that the american people would let one party keep power for so long, especially when theyve done nothing to merit it.

how many times have i heard this?: "the democrats could put up a wet paper towel this time around, and I'll vote for them"

[Mongooose]

How can a republican victory even be conceivable after 8 years of the most unpopular president in US history? Once the democrats are united, they will easily take the White House back.

The only way they can lose now is if the dem nomination goes into a brokered convention and the losing candidate's supporters become disenfranchised.

[RZZZA]

its inconcievable, the only reason McCain is viewed so favorably by democrats and independents is because he hasnt yet been properly tied to the failed policies of the past. Once Obama focuses his record breaking fundraising cash stash on ads against McCain, the American people will remember that McCain isnt so much the Maverick this time around as the representation of everything the American people have chafed under and spoke out against during the past 7 years.

[Oldgamer]

its inconcievable, the only reason McCain is viewed so favorably by democrats and independents is because he hasnt yet been properly tied to the failed policies of the past. Once Obama focuses his record breaking fundraising cash stash on ads against McCain, the American people will remember that McCain isnt so much the Maverick this time around as the representation of everything the American people have chafed under and spoke out against during the past 7 years.

Rzzza, you've been speaking out against us using GOP talking points, and you start to mention "failed policies of the past"?

So, what are these "failed policies"?

Be back, tomorrow ...

[RZZZA]

Rzzza, you've been speaking out against us using GOP talking points, and you start to mention "failed policies of the past"?

So, what are these "failed policies"?

Be back, tomorrow ...

I'm not going to get into it, I'm just saying thats the democratic attack plan, to tie McCain to the failures of the past 7 years. Obama has already claimed the populist "change" theme and he can credibly claim it because he's not a Washington insider and not an "elitist" as some would charge, he uses it effectively against both hillary and it'll be even more effective against McCain who has been a Washington insider since before gravity.


It'll all be a matter of who sets the narrative for the other guy better, Obama has far more money which leads me to believe he'll more easily be able to define McCain in unfavorable terms.

[Tiberius Tosi]

That's the problem with the Democratic party right now; it's all "we can change this" and "we can change that", but when it comes right down to it has Obama ever really laid out his plan for his "change". No, he hasn't. All his change is is him wanting to give Americans this and wanting to give Americans that. He just says Washington has failed us and brought us to this situation we are in, that Washington is the reason we all took out house loans that people can't pay because the banks are a bunch of idiots. Just because we elect a man that is a good speaker that promises a lot does not mean that he is going to come in the first day, put his foot down and make the whole world better.

Ok bring on the criticism.

Mongoose: Bush was not the most unpopular in our history, trust me there have been many more unpopular before him.

[Admiral Nelson]

That's the problem with the Democratic party right now; it's all "we can change this" and "we can change that", but when it comes right down to it has Obama ever really laid out his plan for his "change". No, he hasn't.

Yes he has. He's definitely got a plan. See Obama's Blueprint for Change.

[Mongooose]

Mongoose: Bush was not the most unpopular in our history, trust me there have been many more unpopular before him.

Maybe not but he has the worst approval rating in modern history (since FDR).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_rating

[Emperor Taizu]

Two more days 'til the Pennsylvania primary! Hillary 1 - Obama 0