China

[cankles]

I think china is going to take over the world. Does anyone else agree? I mean common, they are already in control of the world economy.

[Exarch]

control over world economy?
proof?
take over trhe world?
lol
how?

[cankles]

Everything you look at has a "made in china" lable. And, there try to kill all of us americans exporting us lead contaminated toys and poison apples.Once where all gone, they just move over here.

[Exarch]

Everything you look at has a "made in china" lable. And, there try to kill all of us americans exporting us lead contaminated toys and poison apples.Once where all gone, they just move over here.

first off, regarding the toy recall, i believe there's a youtube cnn piece on how those fears were unfounded consideirng the chinese factories made things according to to mattel's specifications:
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0921/mattel.html

as for your 'they're comign here and taking our jobs' bit ...well i'll let that speak for itself

[cankles]

Fine, maybe those two assertions are incorrect, but they are still in control of half the world market.

[Pontifex Maximus]

The world is dependant on China, but China is dependant on the world. Without anyone to buy their tainted products, they don't have an economy. China cannot rule the world, they are having trouble ruling Tibet presently, so I don't see how they could maintain control of the world.

[Exarch]

The world is dependant on China, but China is dependant on the world. Without anyone to buy their tainted products, they don't have an economy. China cannot rule the world, they are having trouble ruling Tibet presently, so I don't see how they could maintain control of the world.

products are tainted with what?
btw what you say is the same for any country-any country's economy would collapse due to an embARGO-however, as bushbush has pointed out numerous times, as much as some of us would like an embargo, it's not going to happen consideirng the size of china's economy, and how much we depend on china.
secondly, try going a year without stuff made from china.

[cankles]

The US embargoed Cuba, but that didn't do very much. Most other countries maintain trade with them.
And it is impossible to go a year without stuff from china(realistically) that was my point(sort of). W really on china and they rely on us, its just a matter of who does more of the relying, and I think it happens to be the US.

[danzig]

This thread will go no where especially when the chinese flag wavers see. As far as reliance goes China is much more dependant for as simple reason. Manufacturing of goods can slowly be shifted elsewhere, India, South American but markets like EU and US dont grow on trees. So in essences China can be replaced easier then the current EU/US markets. Not easily of course or over night. In alot of ways China is a flowing tide where it has to keep flowing or it can come crumbling down.

[Pontifex Maximus]

products are tainted with what?

Lead.

secondly, try going a year without stuff made from china.

Try going a year without capitol made off the US.

[Watchman]

US economy only stays even remotely solvent because for decades the Japanese, and now also the Chinese, have been for their own reasons willing to buy up crappy dollar at a deficit.
Better not get too cocky over the US economy, 'k ?

Anyway, China doesn't even remotely control much anything in the world economy beyond what its improving resources now actually allow (not yet too much). It's just been for a while the low-cost labour country foreign firms have been moving their manufacturing to for cost-cutting purposes; they're already starting to shift elsewhere (Indonesia IIRC) as the rising Chinese standards of living are slowly driving up the wage-price spiral.

It's also going to need some pretty major internal reforms something bad ASAP if it wants to avoid some sort of implosion, internal collapse and/or another honest-to-Lenin Communist Revolution, because ATM it's got way too many salient problems already and more coming up shortly that it quite lacks the means to solve. The Party's standard response (stomping dissidents and anyone who actually points out the problems) after all really just amounts to looking the other way.

[ray243]

Most people here don't understand the chinese well enough. Unlike other nations and etc throughout history, china has been contended to be a superpower that can influence it's neighbours and etc.


But they don't really expand that much. China DON'T WANT to take over the world, and has never really expressed the desire to do so.

But what it wants is to hold enough influence in the world so that it will need to listen to others.

[Calvin]

People just want a bad guy looming in the distance and right now China fits the bill. Its a rapidly growing economy sure, but that's good for the rest of us because we get cheap imports. The West is hardly the manufacturing capital of the world anymore, we needed a China to do that for us. It has a pretty fearsome army - so? It seems to enjoy staying out of other countries affairs. Don't wave it's threats to Taiwan at me, unless you wave the USAs threats to Iran at me too. It invaded and took over Tibet....ok. That was fifty years ago. We invaded two sovereign countries how long ago?

I agree that it needs reform in regards to individual freedom and human rights abuses, but give it time. It has come a long way from Mao's time already. Things don't happen overnight.

[cankles]

People just want a bad guy looming in the distance and right now China fits the bill.
I agree that it needs reform in regards to individual freedom and human rights abuses, but give it time. It has come a long way from Mao's time already. Things don't happen overnight.

I don't need a bad guy looming in the distance, if anything I was just joking. For my own reasons I seriously believe that things are gonna come crashing down in the near future, and when governments start yelling at each other china is going to be at an atvantage because most countries have outsourced everything to China. Fine, China taking over the world is an unrealistic statement, but it sounds funny.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Our economy is fine, it's the defecit that is hurting us. It's a major problem that needs to be adressed immediately.

[Watchman]

It's been a major problem that has required immediate addressing for something like the past forty years, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. Especially given the global military entanglements, likely to continue for quite a while longer, and eight years of gross fiscal irresponsibility under the Bush regime.

Also, teh dollar $uck$.

[Каие]

Isn't the US in big debt to China?

[Watchman]

Isn't the US in big debt to China?

...as well as Japan, IIRC. But it's kind of complicated; gee, big surprise there...

Anyway, one analyst summed it up as "if you owe your bank a hundred grand, you've a problem; if you owe them a hundred million, your bank has a problem." Macroeconomics is complex already even without convoluted politics mixed in.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Isn't the US in big debt to China?

I think just about every country is in debt to someone.

[bushbush]

I think just about every country is in debt to someone.

china's foreign debt is pretty big too.