I'm sorry, this is too funny to pass up

[HorseArcher]

Slovak nationalist party removes Hungary from the map, claims poorer half

Apparently feeling that their giant crosses were not doing enough to fend off mythical birds, Jan Slota's Slovak National Party featured a map of Europe on its website in which Hungary was conspicuously missing, as seen to the right, index.hu reported. There's only a few problems with this deft, or rather, daft diplomacy...

First there is the physical impossibility of this rather fantastic feat. The population of Hungary is nearly double that of Slovakia, and once you figure in that around 10% of Slovakia's population is ethnically Hungarian, (this number fluctuates if you ask a Hungarian nationalist or their Slovak counterpart), then you arrive at a 2:1 ratio. So that would to some extent explain why only half of Hungary was conquered.

Except the last time Slovakia invaded Hungary as part of Czechoslovakia after the First World War, my grandfather successfully defended his land with a pitchfork. Despite having only glimpses of decent governing since, I'm sure Hungarian defensive strategy has nonetheless improved, thus making a successful Slovak offensive even less likely.

But if you look at the map, you'll see that the half of Hungary claimed by Slovakia is the eastern, far less prosperous half, as opposed to the much better developed Transdanubia, meaning that Slota's Slovak Nationalists couldn't get even that right.

http://www.politics.hu/20080417/slov...ms-poorer-half


On the sidenote, notice Serbia is back in one piece including Montenegro and Kosovo , while the West side of Hungary is given to Austria ( gift?) cut down at the Danube river.

Stuff to know about his (SNS) Party

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The party declares its three pillars: Christian, national and social. The party characterizes itself as centre-right, however it is frequently described as ultra-nationalist, right-wing extremist and neo-fascist(because of its offensive and often racist statements about the Magyars, the Roma and homosexuals).

Results of the general elections to Slovak parliament

* 1990: 13.94%
* 1992: 7.93%
* 1994: 5.4%
* 1998: 9.07%
* 2002: 3.65% for PSNS, 3.32% for SNS
* 2006: 11.6%

In the parliamentary election of 17 June 2006, the party won 11.6% of the popular vote and 20 out of 150 seats. Currently, the party has 19 seats in the Slovak Parliament.

[Kiljan Arslan]

looks like the commies didn't do their jobs at removing fascists, some more hangings are needed.

[wilpuri]

looks like the commies didn't do their jobs at removing fascists, some more hangings are needed.

Because you believe in freedom of speech & expression for everyone who doesn't disagree with you.

[Burnum]

Because you believe in freedom of speech & expression for everyone who doesn't disagree with you.

Freedom speech excludes hate speech like:

"I have to tell you a short story. Back in 1248 a Frank bishop visited the Carpathian Basin and he said: 'As I was scanning this country, I was wondering how God could give such a beautiful land to such ugly people. He meant the 'old Hungarians.' because they were Mongoloid types with crooked legs and they owned such disgusting horses. Actually, small horses. This is what the bishop said, it is written...exactly, it is written word by word...and now, after more than 800 years those 'Mongoloids' have somehow disappeared...I don ´t know who showed them how to be civilized. But I think unfortunately it was the Slavic blood...unfortunately. And I really don't know if these Hungarians, who like to say about themselves that they are Hungarians, are really Hungarians. I think 90 percent of them have Slavic blood and maybe 10 percent, or maybe just a tenth of a percent has the 'old Hungarian' blood. "


"If the Slovak nationalist party is extremist, then Hungarians are radioactively extremists, they radiate more than Chernobyl. The best solution would be to entomb them with cement."

"Hungarians are the cancer of the Slovak nation, without delay we need to remove them from the body of the nation."



(about punishment of prostitution): "...those hideous, mostly Gypsies who just stand there...they should simply get beaten with a night stick..."


"We are negativist only in saying that parasites have to be eliminated, and parasites are simply those who don't want to work, and the fact that among those people are 95% of all Gypsies is just reality."

There's much more here

He's pretty much a Nazi-sympathizer

Slota called Tiso "one of the greatest sons of the Slovak nation" [The Slovak Spectator, February 28-March 5, 2000] and on February 17, 2000, 40 of the 41 city council members in Žilina/Zsolna, where Slota is mayor, voted to dedicate a plaque honoring Tiso. As the leader of Slovakia's 1939-45 Nazi-puppet state, Jozef Tiso was responsible for deporting between 60,000 and 70,000 Jews to concentration camps and was executed as a war criminal in 1946.

[wilpuri]

Burnum, do you think Fascism as an ideology should be illegal (& punishable by death?) and why?

"Hate speech" legislation is censorship, no matter which way you look at it. The EU will most likely attempt to enact EU-wide legislation curtailing freedom of speech even further, from holocaust denial to "xenophobic" opinions.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Because you believe in freedom of speech & expression for everyone who doesn't disagree with you.

Yes I do dosn't mean I don't feeel sometimes peolpe need to be smaked around the head a few times.

[Dromikaites]

I protest! We Romanians should have Budapest!

[HorseArcher]

I protest! We Romanians should have Budapest!

You guys get enough problems by the 1 million ethnic hungarians living in Romania,

Why do you want to multiply it by 10?

[Dromikaites]

You guys get enough problems by the 1 million ethnic hungarians living in Romania,

Why do you want to multiply it by 10?

I was ridiculing those Slovaks' idea.

Slovakian nationalists trying to make some friends by throwing them a bone....eh..half of Hungary.

And lack of vision, no matter how distorted that vision of theirs might be. I mean, they threw the bone in the wrong direction. The Romanian armies not the Austrian ones and certainly not the Slovak ones entered Budapest twice after the end of WW1. If they are in the mood for imperialist scenarios they better draw some realistic ones

On a semi-serious note though: you know I was in favor of a union between Hungary and Romania at the end of WW2 as a practical way of preventing the Hungarian-Romanian [non]issues.

And on a serious note: The good thing is both countries are in the EU now. And so is Slovakia. Though it seems the members of that party and their sympathizers (~11% of the voters there) haven't realized yet. On the other hand almost every EU country has a party which caters to the nutjobs.

[ShockBlast]

You guys get enough problems by the 1 million ethnic hungarians living in Romania,

Why do you want to multiply it by 10?

So what is so funny about this?There are alot of hungarian extremists that want Ardealul(Transilvania) both in Hungary and Romania.
And don`t play the victim because it was the other way around.
As Dromikaites said both countries are in the EU and they will not go to war and no territories are going to be given, oh and when are your extremists going to realise this?
Multiply it by 100 if you want we are interested in Romania`s union with Moldova.That mil of hungaians is day dreaming that they will get independence in the middle of Romania.Romaina is a 21 mil country do you really think that 1 mil si doing us trouble?You show the extremists of other countries when you can`t see yours but then again any country has their extremists so just laugh at them and don`t bother with their stupid thoughts.

[Dromikaites]

So what is so funny about this?There are alot of hungarian extremists that want Ardealul(Transilvania) both in Hungary and Romania.

I think he simply missed my sarcasm directed towards the Slovak nationalists who published that map. No need to go further than that.

And don`t play the victim because it was the other way around.

He didn't. He was pointing out that in case I were an idiotic Romanian imperialist annexing half of Hungary would result in adding some 5 million more Hungarians to the 1 million already living in Romania.

As Dromikaites said both countries are in the EU and they will not go to war and no territories are going to be given, oh and when are your extremists going to realise this?

He's not the extremist on this thread. The Slovaks who made that map are. Chill out, man!

That mil of hungaians is day dreaming that they will get independence in the middle of Romania.Romaina is a 21 mil country do you really think that 1 mil si doing us trouble?

Last time I've seen something in the news about Transylvanian Hungarians wanting independence was when some 200 Hungarians out of a Hungarian population of 40,000+ in that city showed their support for Kosovo and demanded they get the same treatment from the international community. 200 out of more than 40,000 who didn't bother to show up. What million are you talking about?!

[King Edward III]

You guys get enough problems by the 1 million ethnic hungarians living in Romania,

Why do you want to multiply it by 10?

Oh gawd, lets not start with that ethnic **** please.

[Big War Bird]

The sad thing is that people used to be able to do that and get away with it.

[RZZZA]

bring back Bohemia, thats my opinion.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

I wouldn't look fondly at either side, though, since the aggressive policy of Magyarization during the XIX and XX centuries often performed in Slovakia when it was part of Hungary left a bitter rivalry and resentment.

[Burnum]

I wouldn't look fondly at either side, though, since the aggressive policy of Magyarization during the XIX and XX centuries often performed in Slovakia when it was part of Hungary left a bitter rivalry and resentment.

You know how ridiculous that sounds?

[Captain Blackadder]

Well isn't this nice for Austria what did they do to get such a nice present of a hunk of hungry.

[HorseArcher]

Well isn't this nice for Austria what did they do to get such a nice present of a hunk of hungry.

Slovakian nationalists trying to make some friends by throwing them a bone....eh..half of Hungary.

In contrast, How long has been Hungary occupied the longest?

150 years by the Ottoman Turks.

What remains of them?

A few statues, a Minaret, some turkish-baths in Budapest, but we waited them out. And no, no sign of turning to Islam.

So you would think that some crazy nationalist slovakian thinks that they can occupy Hungary with their 11%, not to mention, most slovakians have no grudge with Hungary beside their crazy government..then this is laughable.

I wouldn't look fondly at either side, though, since the aggressive policy of Magyarization during the XIX and XX centuries often performed in Slovakia when it was part of Hungary left a bitter rivalry and resentment.

It worked well, didn't it?
Slovakians wouldn't exist today, neither many other nationalities. but if you want to see the very real opposite of what they were doing then go no further then the Benes Decrees.

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Post-war settlement in Europe and the Beneš decrees

The Beneš decrees are most often associated with the forcible "population transfer" (deportation) in 1945-47 of about 2.6 million former Czechoslovak citizens of German ethnicity (see also Sudetenland) to Germany and Austria. However, they do not directly refer to it. Their advocates argue that the German exodus from Eastern Europe was agreed upon by the victorious Allied powers at the Potsdam conference.

Despite many disputes, it is generally assumed by both advocates and opponents of the decrees that by their enforcement, Czechoslovakia collectively punished ethnic German and Hungarian minorities by expropriation and deportation to Germany, Austria, and Hungary for their alleged collaborationism with Nazi Germany and Hungary against Czechoslovakia during their struggle for secession from Czechoslovakia and annexation by Nazi Germany and Hungary. Advocates of the decrees describe that struggle as irredentism while opponents claim[citation needed] that the right of self-determination of minorities was denied and that their ethnic area was made part of Czechoslovakia against their wishes after World War I.

Some of the decrees concerned the expropriation of the property of wartime "traitors" and collaborators accused of treason, but of all Germans and Hungarians collectively. They also ordered the removal of citizenship for people of all German and Hungarian ethnic origin. (The provisions were cancelled for the Hungarians in 1948.) This was then used to confiscate their property and expel around 90% of the ethnic German population of Czechoslovakia. The Germans were collectively accused of supporting the Nazis (through the Sudeten German Party -- a political party led by Konrad Henlein) -- and the Third Reich's annexation of the German populated Czech borderland in 1938. Almost every decree explicitly stated that the sanctions did not apply to anti-fascists, though the term anti-fascist was not explicitly defined . Some 250,000 Germans, some anti-fascists, but also people crucial for industries were allowed to remain in Czechoslovakia.

Revocation of Decree No. 33/1945

On April 13, 1948, Czechoslovak government issued decree No. 76/1948 allowing those Germans and Hungarians still living in Czechoslovakia, to reinstate the Czechoslovak citizenship that had been revoked by decree No. 33/1945. The Slovakian Commissioner of the Interior also revoked the latter decree by issuing decree No. 287/1948.

Status today

With two exceptions, 89 of the Beneš decrees, edicts, laws and statutes, along with extensive pages of instruction for their enforcement, are kept valid by their continued existence in the statutes of the Czech Republic (1993) and the Slovak Republic (1993). These two successor states of the restored Czechoslovakia remain unwilling to revoke the edicts and laws so as not to contradict the results of WWII.

Impact on today's political relations

The continued validity of the decrees has affected to some extent the political relations between the Czech Republic and Slovakia and their neighbours, Austria, Germany and Hungary.

Those expellees organised within the Sudetendeutsche Landsmannschaft (part of the Federation of Expellees) and associated political groups call for the abolition of the Beneš decrees as based on the principle of collective guilt. European and international courts have refused to rule on cases concerning the decrees as most international treaties on human rights took effect after 1945/46.

Former Czech Prime Minister Miloš Zeman insists that the Czechs would not consider repealing the decrees because of an underlying fear that doing so would open the door to demands for restitution. According to Time Magazine, former Czech Foreign Minister Jan Kavan argued, "Why should we single out the Beneš Decrees?… They belong to the past and should stay in the past. Many current members of the E.U. had similar laws."

On 20 September 2007 the Slovak Parliament confirmed the decrees. All ethnically Slovak members voted for the decision, only Hungarian minority leaders voted against it. President of Hungary, László Sólyom thinks that it will put a strain on Hungarian-Slovak relations.

Liechtenstein recognizes neither the Czech Republic nor Slovakia due to the decrees and confiscation of property from the Prince of Liechtenstein due to his profiting from Nazism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene%C5%A1_decrees

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[Valentin the II]

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