Thank you BC team for making this mod to show the true Middle east culture

[republic_bohemia]

I apologize BC team for the little spam,see I had to do that because I dislike people saying stupid things so I had to defend BC and it's concept because the mod is based on historical facts and the westerners who come here and say propaganda things that are false really annoy me.

Thank you BC for making this mod to show the world the middle East.
PS someone had to do it,I mean the game developers are critics of facts and details or they are just too lazy.
I mean the firs time I played Medieval2 I notice how the game is so un historical in the Middle East and I ''ve notice so many things that just make you angry/cry and think how can the developers be so ignorant I mean this game was made for everyone not just westerners.

In my opinion the CA are ether biased in favor of the west or some CA workers are,or another alternative is laziness.

The reason why I say the CA are biased in favor of the west is look at original CA Medieval game and compare it to like the BC CAE SS DLV LR LTC ect and you will laugh.

"I thought that a civilization knows it's history after Elementary school education,than it learns other civilizations history? Why? Because so it does not make the same mistakes that others civilization made,or just learn the history of other cultures simply to know it.

Con.....

Okay I got your point history is a bloody hell mass because people just don't like the truth and also why not make some quick money of people.

Now my final explanation for Sega/CA is why put lot of work into our Video games when we could make a quality game engine that will blow people's mind out and just put a little bit of work into it so people buy it oh now we are rich to make another best selling game with a quality game engine and bad details and facts but hey the people sure will get on our marketing strategy.

"Hey manger yea? I just find out that the fans are making mods that attract customers to our industrial really that's great well just keep making the money for the next game engine alright boss got it oh and don't hire any of the game fans because than we might loss our business.Sure thing boss."

Capitalism oh that's just another story.

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Originally Posted by HunterKiller View Post
i think if BC was another game like: Medieval broken crescent total war, ppl would leave M2TW and buy the realistic MBCTW !!! lol

republic_bohemia: "finally someone got my point of view."
"

Alright am done with this any way thank you BC you have my honor.

Regards.John

[Copperknickers II]

I don't agree that they are biased in favour of the west in CA, but most of the players from total war are american or european i think you will find. Still, they do make it a lot more fun to play now htey have india and more eastern factions.

[republic_bohemia]

In my opinion the CA are ether biased in favor of the west or some CA workers are,or another alternative is laziness.

The reason why I say the CA are biased in favor of the west is look at original CA Medieval game and compare it to like the BC CAE SS DLV LR LTC ect and you will laugh.

Alright am done with this any way thank you BC you have my honor.

Regards.John

[Erwin Rommel]

Look

CA is a "GAME COMPANY" NOT some "History Channel/Osprey books"

and biased?? why is that?

and if you meant the CA orginal Medieval Total War to the mods of course it is laughable coz, MTW was released 2002 and its was all 2d

[Tail End Charlie]

Don't forget CA is a British listed company which has a lot of work done in Australia and owned by SEGA (mostly American). And as has been said their main markets are in Europe and America. But considering their first TW game was set in Japan I think Cultural Bias is a misplaced accusation. There are gameplay reasons why Europe and the near east are their games main settings. They are the only places with consistent historical of high state density or in other words there are a lot more potential factions. The only other place I can think of which has that is the territories BC covers (india, Afganistan etc). If you had a game in East Asia, the gameplay would be scewed by the raw power of China (outside of civil war Japan of course). Also the TW aren't just for us history wonks.

[Strelac]

What you call bias, people in professional world call marketing strategy.
Regarding the actual quality of units or faction representation, I don’t know that I find any of it particularly appealing, west or east; and, it will certainly never exceed the potential of independent mod groups, whether its MTW or Oblivion for that matter.
In the other hands, if corporation would operate in way we do, game development would be part time job, as it would certainly not pay the bills.

Your gratitude for our work is highly appreciated, although, don’t forget, CA gave us the opportunity to do what we do.

[Taneda Santôka]

What you call bias, people in professional world call marketing strategy.

Just to argue a bit, some will call this marketing strategy just a cultural emprialistism scheme... CA's view as evolved since MTW, it does look more manichaeist now, but to judge where the ideological ambitions exceed the mere commercial product is a hard task.
:hmmm:

Ah no...really if you want it to be as accurate as an Osprey Book

And this is a bit funny, Osprey is for wargames, not History Classes!

[Erwin Rommel]

without CA. BC will be modding in Age of Empires (GASP!)

[republic_bohemia]

Okay I got your point history is a bloody hell mass because people just don't like the truth and also why not make some quick money of people.

Now my final explanation for Sega/CA is why put lot of work into our Video games when we could make a quality game engine that will blow people's mind out and just put a little bit of work into it so people buy it oh now we are rich to make another best selling game with a quality game engine and bad details and facts but hey the people sure will get on our marketing strategy.

"
Hey manger yea? I just find out that the fans are making mods that attract customers to our industrial really that's great well just keep making the money for the next game engine alright boss got it oh and don't hire any of the game fans because than we might loss our business.Sure thing boss."

Capitalism oh that's just another story.

Regards.John

[Erwin Rommel]

Ah no...really if you want it to be as accurate as an Osprey Book

MAN that wont be just 11 GIG!

people will start to back away as this game will be TOO demanding, including all those accuracy, more units, more descriptions and HELL 11 gig is already BIG

I'm not saying the people "Dont like the truth"

(IN fact Realism mods are the most popular.)

infact they do but CA is A GAME COMPANY it makes games that will sell BUT THATS OBVIOUS

[republic_bohemia]

Ah no...really if you want it to be as accurate as an Osprey Book

MAN that wont be just 11 GIG!

people will start to back away as this game will be TOO demanding, including all those accuracy, more units, more descriptions and HELL 11 gig is already BIG

I'm not saying the people "Dont like the truth"

(IN fact Realism mods are the most popular.)

infact they do but CA is A GAME COMPANY it makes games that will sell BUT THATS OBVIOUS

Of course it is a Video game corporation that makes money and improvement.

But what you do have to consider is when a Video game company decides to make there video game atmosphere in the Medieval Europe and Middle East than geography historical information is very important even if some player dislike History or facts & details.

"please all do remenber that without us the people the corporations and there inventions would not exist,becuase we are there bank."
-John 42

Regards.John

[HunterKiller]

i think if BC was another game like: Medieval broken crescent total war, ppl would leave M2TW and buy the realistic MBCTW !!! lol

[republic_bohemia]

i think if BC was another game like: Medieval broken crescent total war, ppl would leave M2TW and buy the realistic MBCTW !!! lol

finally someone got my point of view.

Regards.John42

[Strelac]

Perception always changes when you have to pay for things, and naturally people always want more for less.

[republic_bohemia]

Perception always changes when you have to pay for things, and naturally people always want more for less.

Yes on Perception always changes and yes some not all people always want more for less.

Regards.John42

[Strelac]

some not all people always want more for less

then they would find the game as is quite satisfactory.

[Omar Nelson B.]

The fact is that a big company cannot satisfy every person no matter what kind of game is put on the shelf. There will always be someone who thinks that a company "should have done this" and "could have done that". It doesn't matter what the product is. Any product that you can think of there is some person that will not like it the way that it is. Compromise is the name of the game.

Good marketing and a close community is (tw.net/the org) what in my opinion makes this game, as a whole, so great. I'm talking vanilla and mods.

[Lupu]

No, its not made for wargames(I think at least) but it is very helpful for painting, an creating a wargame army.

[Cayo_Julio_Cesar]

Also , while most ppl here in TWcenter are history fans (including me) , general people, the market of the game who just like rts and came from star/warcraft and age of empires, don't have a clue about history (specialy in america , the biggest market) they just want massive battles and an easy game. England, france , germany are the most popular factions amongst people who do not know history very well, so asking for a "middle east" focused mtw ..... i also love the middle eastern culture, but it's not very comercial-wise.

why do you tihnk there is Scotland in mtw2, no offense but Scotland impact on world history at that time is very small compared to other factions that did not even appaer, and they even have their own voice! obviously because of the Braveheart movie. again comerical-wise.

I think it's the right desicion, then more ppl will buy the game, and more ppl have the chance to play this masterpiece mod xD

[Ahiga]

Honestly I didn't find much of a Western Europe 'bias' in MTWII so much as a very eccentric approach to factions. You had a group like the Turks given an exceptional amount of love, then a group like the Mamluks who had absolute crap. Or Russia getting a majority unique units but having Hungary and Poland get nothing.

The problem wasn't so much that they didn't care as it was their approach was strange, perhaps due to the extensive time period covered. We had the Turks be completely Ottoman and skip out on earlier Turkish stuff (I mean even their lesser units were Ottoman - Azaps), while the Egyptians were purely Mamluk.