Rome overpowered?

[Legionem Insanis]

I just started playing this mod
Played some custom battles and started a campaign.
Does Rome seem "overpowered" in this mod?
Their units seem comparably cheap and strong.
The legionary units cost like 210 dinari and have comprable stats to Macedon's phalanx units which cost ~600 dinari.

I do like the idea of a very strong Roman faction. I just set my goals higher: "take over the entire mediteranean and gaul" rather than just "survive more rounds" as I have been playing Rome in the TE mod.

[century x]

Rome is not overpowered. When you fight the germans, the iberians the gauls you will see that they will pound you to the ground and then when you think its over. They come back with more. And if you play with the house rules you will realize that playing as Rome is very difficult. And don't play on VH for campaign. Play on Hard. That one is more difficult. Due to a glitch in the CA patch I beleive.

And welcome to the Roma Surrectum Mod.

[EternalSlayer]

In most campaigns when the AI is playing Rome they don't do amazingly well. It becomes a faction like many others.

[HMonk]

I don't know but the Gauls have been kicking my but a little.

[century x]

I don't know but the Gauls have been kicking my but a little.

Exactly

[Austen Bin]

Whenever I've played a roman campaign, once i take northern italy I usually don't have to worry about the Gauls until I invade their homelands. But in my current campaign, I took Massilia from the Gauls and put a full legion to protect it, thinking I was secure from any invasions they might sent.

Instead, the gauls swarmed through the alps with 5 stacks of their best most experienced troops, destroying my legion in Massilia and sack the city, as well as mauling another legion forcing them to withdraw, and invading well into the Po valley!

I have never had that happen to me before. I also nearly lost my holdings in Illyria and Eprios(sp?) to the Maks because I lost key battles. Even now with the named legions, I am so spread out that one lost battle could well cost me a dozen provinces!

The Romans are the strongest I have ever seen them in any mod in RS, but at the same time, I have never had so many problems expanding my empire. Usually you get to a point when you know you will win eventually, but even taking most of the Mediterranean, I still feel that if I screw up, I might get overwhelmed by my enemies.

[icydawgfish]

Yes, usually the AI Rome idles around in Italy for most of the game until it's wiped out. But playing Rome is no easy task in campaign; the immense amount of micromanagement once you get the reforms, you're almost always outnumbered, and your armies will usually be stretched very thin.

[Coldcall]

The real advantage is the human player over the ai no matter what faction they play. The ai has a limited set of routines whereas the human player can try a number of different tactics.

When i first started playing RS i thought the Romans might be underpowered but the more one playes the more one becomes comfortable with the strengths and weaknesses of each unit.

I think the hardest part of RS from a Roman perspective is the first 20-30 years dealing with the veneti, liguri, insubres and other tribes locally. I think thats why many us of keep restarting campaigns :-)

[tone]

Also be aware that although you may find that you have plenty of money intially it soons begins to get tougher because of the economic penalties that expansion brings

[EternalSlayer]

Also be aware that although you may find that you have plenty of money intially it soons begins to get tougher because of the economic penalties that expansion brings

Bull----, I'm making 150,000 a turn in my Roman campaign

[Nellup]

Bull----, I'm making 150,000 a turn in my Roman campaign

Also how far have you expanded and where did you expand to?
If you only own Italy and Greece then money will be rolling in as they are superb trading areas.
Try invading Africa right from the off in a Roman campaign, see how much money you have then...

[Mjr Phil]

That never happened for me. Playing VH/VH alexander, expanding in Gaul, harassing Carthaginians a bit (took Carthage and Thapsus) and the hardest time was when the Gauls attacked me with 2,5 full stacks against not-so-full mine. But since their reinforcements got delayed, I managed to destroy directly attacking army in time. They came back next turn, of course, but that was even easier then.
I expected some more challenge... And economically I have around 40 provinces (c.a. 520AUC), expanding them on full with fancy buildings, and still have 700k in cash. Army takes around 80k.

[tone]

That's why we say repeatedly don't play on VH campaign - it's easier than H campaign

[Coldcall]

Austen Bin,

I usually use at least 2 or 3 named legions to hold the French Alps - Massilia corridor from the Gauls. Usually Legio Gallica, Augusta III (from Arretium) and perhaps Germanica as well if the Gauls are reallyt pring in the stacks. I also find the Gauls attack in waves and if you withstand the first big wave then you can consolidate thereafter.

Same with Macedonia in Illyria and Epiros.

[ciprianrusu]

In my current campaign, i am allied with the Gauls and Iberians, but at war with Scythia. They practically whipped out Legio IV Scythica with their horses and horse archers. It was my first encounter with them, and i must admit that they kicked my butt big time.

[El Crumb]

I know the Romans put up a good fight when i invade with my Carthaginian forces. I have had more Pyrrhic victories over them then heroic ones, their infantry is tough, dogged and aggresive and those pilum storms still give me bad dreams.

[tone]

What difficulty?

[EternalSlayer]

What difficulty?

Campaign is set to hard. Nellup is probably right when he says I need to go waste my money in Africa. However I would come back and say that as long as you streamline the garrisons in your Italian, Sicilian and (eventually) Greek cities there is absolutely no problem in having a large standing army and being stinking rich at the same time. Micromanagement of the cities is important, as is the right type of expansion. You're right that my money will probably go down as I invade other areas, but I'll keep you updated and we'll see

RS is def. different from the normal game, where you'd reach a certain point from which on you're invincible and have almost unlimited money. But even in this Mod there does come a point when you do start having a lot more money than you need. Maybe it's because I like to have as few armies as possible and make strategic placement of these harder, but I've found that I'm starting to have a lot of money in my Parthia campaign as well and I haven't even reached the richer Seleucid cities yet...

[century x]

DUring the late game. When you have somewhere in the ball park of 28 legions roaming around and like 30 Auxilia legions right behind them, patrolling your empire and settling rebellions. You will realize that you will be somewhat straped for cash. You have to also build up your empires cities. So you need all the money in the world.

[Spartan 666]

how many defeats for rome...i play on H\VH and never lost a battle using a regular legion...only sometimes using mercenary and auxiliary armies!