Iraq

[MasterAdnin]

I have a question to those who say the militias in Iraq and terrorist groups. A terrorist is defined as a person who terrorizes or frightens others (dictionary.com ). So why are we calling those militias terrorists when WE invaded them, and WE supported their oppressive leader for years, and when WE are occupying their land? They want us off and are willing to do anything to kick us off their land. So tell me again, why are they terrorists?

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Alcotroll]

I have a question to those who say the militias in Iraq and terrorist groups. A terrorist is defined as a person who terrorizes or frightens others (dictionary.com ). So why are we calling those militias terrorists when WE invaded them, and WE supported their oppressive leader for years, and when WE are occupying their land? They want us off and are willing to do anything to kick us off their land. So tell me again, why are they terrorists?

Salaam,
Adnan

From the BBC today:

At least 30 people have been killed and many wounded in a suicide attack on a crowd of mourners in Iraq...
A witness to Thursday's blast, Imad Abdullah al-Azzawi, told the AFP news agency that the bomber blew himself up inside a mourning tent.
"There are bodies and body parts scattered everywhere. There is blood everywhere," he said.

Explain to me how this construes a legitimate resistance to occupation and I'll kiss your hairy arse.

[MasterAdnin]

From the BBC today:


Explain to me how this construes a legitimate resistance to occupation and I'll kiss your hairy arse.

So you're saying every single militia in Iraq commits these actions? Just how all Muslims have giant beards, and all Christians turn the other cheek, and how all Jews do nothing on Friday and Saturday, how every American is stupid, and how every Englishman has bad teeth?

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Alcotroll]

So you're saying every single militia in Iraq commits these actions?

No. Most Iraqi militias are small-time thugs and racketeers screwing protection money out of the local shops and businesses. "Legitimate resistance to the occupation" is bloody dangerous, and doesn't pay half so well.

Welcome to the revolution comrade.

[Surgeon]

A terrorist is defined as a person who terrorizes or frightens others

And they're doing... what?

[Big War Bird]

I have a question to those who say the militias in Iraq and terrorist groups. A terrorist is defined as a person who terrorizes or frightens others (dictionary.com ). So why are we calling those militias terrorists when WE invaded them, and WE supported their oppressive leader for years, and when WE are occupying their land? They want us off and are willing to do anything to kick us off their land. So tell me again, why are they terrorists?

Salaam,
Adnan

Some are terrorists and some are properly called insurgents:

Terrorist get trails, insurgents get this: (Warning, not for those that don't enjoy video of capital punishment)

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[MasterAdnin]

And they're doing... what?

Fighting for their people. Some are.

Some are terrorists and some are properly called insurgents:

Terrorist get trails, insurgents get this

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An insurgent - a person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority, esp. a person who engages in armed resistance to a government or to the execution of its laws; rebel.

Lawful authority, meaning those who are lawfully in charge, correct? So do we, the US, legally, have the right to govern the Iraqi people?

No. Most Iraqi militias are small-time thugs and racketeers screwing protection money out of the local shops and businesses. "Legitimate resistance to the occupation" is bloody dangerous, and doesn't pay half so well.

Welcome to the revolution comrade.

And you would know because of your extensive knowledge on Iraqi politics?

Salaam,
Adnan

[The Alcotroll]

And you would know because of your extensive knowledge on Iraqi politics?

Salaam,
Adnan

Well it's hardly rocket science. Are you trying to tell me that you didn't know?

[MasterAdnin]

Well it's hardly rocket science. Are you trying to tell me that you didn't know?

I actually did not. If you would be so kind to provide me with a source for your claims. I'm off for now

Salaam,
Adnan

[Yorkshireman]

I actually did not. If you would be so kind to provide me with a source for your claims. I'm off for now

Salaam,
Adnan

You could always just watch the news. It's normally more impartial than any internet source.

[GeneralLee]

I actually did not. If you would be so kind to provide me with a source for your claims. I'm off for now

Salaam,
Adnan

Yes heroic freedom fighters *cough*
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/...html?id=423255

Those negative judgments are not however shared by writers closer to the action. One of the outstanding native Iraqi observers of events in-country is Nibras Kazimi, a young democracy activist without sectarian bias. Here is what he had to say in his important blog, Talismangate.blogspot.com about the character of the Sadr militias in Basra.

"The Mahdi Army in Basra is only an army in the sense that 'soldiers' and 'capos' are rankings in the Cosa Nostra. These organized crime cartels serve many purposes, chief among which is getting rich quick. There's ample opportunity for mischief in Basra and plenty to pilfer and smuggle: oil, arms, drugs and whatever happens to fall off a truck leaving the port, after the truck itself had been 're-routed.' "

About sums up what my friends in Iraq say.

[Big War Bird]

Lawful authority, meaning those who are lawfully in charge, correct? So do we, the US, legally, have the right to govern the Iraqi people?

The legal authority for continued US involvement in Iraq is covered by international treaties. You can look them up for yourself.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Some are terrorists and some are properly called insurgents:

Terrorist get trails, insurgents get this

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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I recommend that you put (GRAPHIC VIDEO) or something before the spoiler.

You might get in trouble from the mods.

@OP

The militias that deliberately kill civilians are terrorists.
The militias that only mean to kill soldiers are insurgents.

I don't know how people can support the actions of the former, and think that the latter make up the majority of killings.

[The Alcotroll]

The militias that deliberately kill civilians are terrorists.
The militias that only mean to kill soldiers are insurgents.

I don't know how people can support the actions of the former, and think that the latter make up the majority of killings.

Is that a typo?

Only today a Suicide bomber killed 30 civilians in one go. There aren't that many military casualties in a month!

[Serious Spamurai]

Is that a typo?

Only today a Suicide bomber killed 30 civilians in one go. There aren't that many military casualties in a month!

Maybe because you don't get 30+ soldiers sitting in a tent together?

There are many Insurgents/Fidayuun/Mujahid or whatever you want to call them who joined up with the best intentions there are also a lot of thugs, and those thugs tend to have a lot of influence, eg zarqawi. Even bin Laden was said to disapprove of the beheadings. There are some groups devoid of these thugs, but the main ones eg Jaish ansar as-sunnah are rife with them, and they're both very active militarily, and very active media-wise, they tarnish the image of the Iraqi resistance, but since they attack the Americans a lot, they get a lot of support.

Militias like the members of old Baas party,could be legitimise,by the fact of they try to take back the power,take by force.
The religious militias and all Qaeda ,do mass murders,and fight in a fratricide war,their objectives use to be other Iraq factions.
They don't fight to expel the invasion,but for self power or only to spared the horror.

You do now that a lot of the "religious" groups are mainly nationalists who use religion as a tool or are populated by nationalists.

[Yorkshireman]

Maybe because you don't get 30+ soldiers sitting in a tent together?

Of course you do. The only problem in trying to blow up soldiers is that they tend to shoot you first. Much easier to blow up a lot of women doing their shopping in the market.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Is that a typo?

Only today a Suicide bomber killed 30 civilians in one go. There aren't that many military casualties in a month!

No, it's not a typo.

[RZZZA]

iran isnt using their official army to wage war in iraq, theyre waging a proxy war through unofficial troops which do not wear any uniform.


terrorists. Guerrilla groups. Rogues.

[Shaun]

So your opinion/belief is that most Iraqi insurgents are decent honourable folks do actually try to avoid collateral damage, Adnin?

[Aziel]

A terrorist is a one that hurts and/or kill unarmed innocent civilians in order to achieve something, mostly political thing. Thus, the terrorists in Iraq are...... terrorists!