An Intresting Counter-point

[The Super Pope]

Israelis are generally shown as very Western in the British media, however i just found this on the foreign office website.

If you choose to enter ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhoods, you should be aware that local residents can react strongly to anyone (particularly women) whom they deem to be dressed in an inappropriate manner. For women this would include wearing trousers. On Shabbat (from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday) these neighbourhoods are blocked off and you should not attempt to drive into them. If you do, local residents may stone your car.

That sounds worse than Saudi Arabia ffs! Yet no-one mentions Jewish religious zealotry.

FCO website

[Chaigidel]

nice

[Da Skinna]

Stupidity is quite universal, it seems.

I know from experience walking in a Jewish neighborhood that they don't always take kindly to outsiders... I was asked if I was lost. I said no. They said I might be.

What does that mean lol?

[bushbush]

close-minded and ignorant people exist in all religion and cultures.

[mrmouth]

Yeah, go to any ultra orthodox neighborhood and you'd be lucky not to catch a stone with your face. These people are the minority though, and kind of seen as a black eye to the rest of Israel.

Its the same for the Palestinians. Only a small portion of the population support Hamas, or throw stones.

[Nick_Since_1985]

Its the same for the Palestinians. Only a small portion of the population support Hamas, or throw stones.

[Heinz Guderian]

Calling Jews who practice their religion like this "ultra orthodox" can be seen as an insult by them (i want to be corrected if i'm wrong). My family lived next to a family which was said to be "ultra orthodox" . Nicest people i have ever met. Friendly, generous and kind.

As for throwing stones at people who enter their neighbourhood, i would find this extremely suprising since my neighbours showed so much openess to strangers and were excellent hosts.

Also conforming to a standard that you might find perplexing whilst visiting an area/home shows respect to the hosts and shows class.

[mrmouth]

Calling Jews who practice their religion like this "ultra orthodox" can be seen as an insult by them (i want to be corrected if i'm wrong). My family lived next to a family which was said to be "ultra orthodox" . Nicest people i have ever met. Friendly, generous and kind.

As for throwing stones at people who enter their neighbourhood, i would find this extremely suprising since my neighbours showed so much openess to strangers and were excellent hosts.

Also conforming to a standard that you might find perplexing whilst visiting an area/home shows respect to the hosts and shows class.

Well, I was referring to the orthodox Jews in Israel, and even more specifically the settlers, they are hardcore. If you have ever travel to Israel (which I don't presume to know if you have or not), you will get a quick lesson in where and where not to venture. On that relatively short list is of course the disputed territories, which you'd have to try awfully hard to venture into anyhow, and the orthodox neighborhoods and settlements.

They have some pretty hardcore beliefs, that are bolstered by the feeling that they are the true sons of Abraham and a feeling that residing where they do is a struggle that other Israeli Jews are not worthy of. In this sense they have ostracized themselves from the rest of the population of Israel.

They have some strange practices overall. On holy days when people are not supposed to work, they will actively seek out Israelis who do work and essentially make their lives miserable, sometimes getting violent, trying to disrupt their work.

There is an orthodox neighborhood not far from where we live in the city. We used to go down there to eat fairly regularly, they are very nice and accommodating. I think in the case of orthodox Jews in Israel, the fact they are in the holy land, feel under attack from all sides, and feel they are true Jews in Israel, leads to odd, and violent behavior.

[Aziel]

BarnabyJones, you have to understand the significant diffrences between the National Religious Jews, hence those who are the majority of the Jews who lives in the helded territories and Haredi Jews. Both are Orthodox Jews, yet, they are diffrent. National Religious Jews are considered much more modern and are less observant than the Haredi Jews. The Nationalist Religious Jews are a, relatively, new sect in Judaism and exist since the 19th century, when the first thinkers of Religious Zionism started to influence some religious Jews. After 1967 that sect became more religious because the city of Jerusalem became unified, but the signs of strong fanaticism started when people Meir Kahane came to the picture; I believe that strong fanaticism exists among some of the National Religious Jews, espacialy because of the Disengagement plan, and some of them want to make an independent state name Judea. The thing is, you must understand they are (currently) a very small minority that makes much nois.

Most of the Jews who makes Jewish non-believers lives' miserable are mostly the Edah HaChareidis Jews and espacialy Neturei Karta.

Defining Israel as western, allows them certain freedom in dealing and their methods when looking upon the inferior brown and yellow people ofthe east, when at the end of the day Israel is a middle eastern country inhabited by Middle Eastern semitic peoples.

It is a fact that almlost a half of the Jews in Israel are 'brown'.

[PointOfViewGun]

Every city has parts where strangers are not welcomed but I highly doubt this cover all of Israel.

[Каие]

Israelis are generally shown as very Western in the British media, however i just found this on the foreign office website.

That sounds worse than Saudi Arabia ffs! Yet no-one mentions Jewish religious zealotry.FCO website

I do so regularly but i am always told "oh its only the minority it doesn't matter" or they say its a lie.

My question is why do people treat minorities in other faiths, or countries as the majority but not in Israel?

Stupidity is quite universal, it seems.

I know from experience walking in a Jewish neighborhood that they don't always take kindly to outsiders... I was asked if I was lost. I said no. They said I might be.

What does that mean lol?

It means you don;t belong there , piss off.
Its quite common around the world.

[Da Skinna]

It means you don;t belong there , piss off.
Its quite common around the world.

In a Canadian city though?

[Aziel]

They are the minority of the minority. It is religious anti-Zionists that mostly act like that.

[danzig]

Israelis are generally shown as very Western in the British media, however i just found this on the foreign office website.

That sounds worse than Saudi Arabia ffs! Yet no-one mentions Jewish religious zealotry.

FCO website

Well probably because neighborhood != an entire country. It IS stupid behavior however no denying that.

[RZZZA]

this is news, how?

everybody knows orthodox jews are radicals


is this the first time youve realized that orthodox jews exist?

thats like being 40 years old and farting for the first time in your life. bout time.

Yet no-one mentions Jewish religious zealotry.

Because theres nothing to talk about, they dont support terrorist activities. Theyre like the amish, just a radical sect that takes their religion super cereal. Orthodox jewish girls arent allowed to be with a man with whom she is unmarried after sundown. Theyre not allowed to mix dairy and meat, if a plate mixes un-kosher food they have to take the plate to the backyard and bury it underground to "purify" it. They practice all sorts of kooky things.

[LSJ]

I never considered Israel as Western. Its about as Western as Turkey in most senses of the word. Ethnically and geographically it is most certainly not western. Plus the country was founded as a Jewish nation, and IMO that is a very non-western concept upon which to create and run a country.

Its more like Japan, where the only reason we call it westernized is that they have a higher standard of living, and value technology, scientific innovation, and human rights more than other countries in the region. But by the same card we could call the old Ottoman Empire western, in that is was a leader in religious tolerance during the renaissance, and in many of its territories, technology and science was highly valued, contrary to the science-bashing zealots who ran Christendom prior to the enlightenment.

[RZZZA]

i dont think you know the definition of the term "Western"....


hint: it has nothing to do with geography

[Каие]

Defining Israel as western, allows them certain freedom in dealing and their methods when looking upon the inferior brown and yellow people ofthe east, when at the end of the day Israel is a middle eastern country inhabited by Middle Eastern semitic peoples.

It seems this day the term western is used to elevate the mighty Europe above the rest of the world, hell there is quite a difference between the US and Switzerland. yet they are both 'western' where as Japan isn;t.

[RZZZA]

radicals and religiously devout people in general are usually a drag to be around, but there is one radical jew who i think is cool as hell and his name is....

Matesyahu



informer! You know say daddy me snow me-a (gonna) blame, A licky boom-boom down

Defining Israel as western, allows them certain freedom in dealing and their methods when looking upon the inferior brown and yellow people ofthe east, when at the end of the day Israel is a middle eastern country inhabited by Middle Eastern semitic peoples.

It seems this day the term western is used to elevate the mighty Europe above the rest of the world, hell there is quite a difference between the US and Switzerland. yet they are both 'western' where as Japan isn;t.

Nonsense

[jankren]

Following one's religious book closely is not religious zealotry. It is religious devotion. It seems according to Western standard religious hypocricy equals to religious moderation.