In the Begining(was spellcheck)

[Chaigidel]

ok I just caught a program out of the corner of my eye and it said that current theory is that there was a "superforce" keeping the universe infinitely small , made up of all our known scientific forces, the first to break away was gravity and the universe expanded greatly , about 1 second after the big bang, the superforce broke down completely into the seperate forces (weak nuclear , strong nuclear etc)

now were these guys just blowing smoke or do they have equations which support the "super force" theory?

[CtrlAltDe1337]

It sounds like a lot of presumptious wishful thinking mixed with some data to me...

[Chaigidel]

well im pretty sure everything about the first few moments of the singuarlity are hard to support

[Simetrical]

There's some reason to believe that at high energy levels, the four fundamental forces (gravity, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, electromagnetic) might merge into one force, in a certain sense. To begin with, we know for a fact they'd be at least one force fewer: at high energies produced in laboratories, the weak nuclear force and electromagnetic force have been directly observed to merge into the "electroweak force". The general term for theories that predict the merging of the various forces at high energies is unified field theory. None of these theories is yet proven, but they're a subject of active research and something along those lines may well be true.

[Chaigidel]

very very interesting , I do love our physicists.

they sparked up that new super collider yet? the one thats going to find the higz boson?

another question, on the big bang was the singularity infinitely dense or infinite in any sense other than infintely small? because I keep reading things that say things like "infinitely dense and infinitely massive" about the original singularity is that just a presumption of a pre 1/1billionth of a second estimation or an actual calculation?

[Simetrical]

The Big Bang was definitely not infinitely massive. It had a finite quantity of energy, equal to the entire energy of the universe today. As to whether it was infinitely dense, simply put, nobody knows. We need a theory of quantum gravity to handle such situations, with very large masses at very tiny lengths. The same goes for the density of a black hole's singularity. Relativity (along with Newtonian gravity) would predict infinite density, but it's known to be wrong on such small scales, so it can't be trusted.