Marine donates heart

[SigniferOne]

In a continuation of US Special Forces men adopting Iraqi children or diving on grenades to shield their comrades, a Marine gives his heart to another Marine:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001...85100#24085100

"Two Marines, one heart." That's brotherhood for you. You never leave the Corps, so they say...


What a vicious empire this America is, full of heroes and other terrible people.

[Tiwaz]

And for every hero you have at least one William Calley or similar.

Whoopdedoo.

What is your point here? That US marines are humans who are capable of being nice? Well, that was given. But they also have same capability of being cruel.

And on top of it, it is irrelevant. They should not be in Iraq, period.
There would not be over 100 000 innocent dead iraqis if USA had not invaded. There would be no diving on grenades and other crap.

Having gone to Iraq they have agreed to oppress and occupy another nation. Somehow that doesn't make them feel more cuddly.

Yes, they would have been hit with US lawbook if they had done that. But wouldn't that be heroic? Sacrificing yourself (and most likely without dying) to save thousands of others you have never even met!

[Space Wolves]

Wow, thanks for ruining the sad momment about this thread


anyways back on topic, that was a touching story to read.

[Tiwaz]

Wow, thanks for ruining the sad momment about this thread


anyways back on topic, that was a touching story to read.

Hey, like people like to say...

It's war.

I often like to remind that heroics tend to have their darker side. And that most heroics at war are completely unnecessary in the end.
Or minor fact that ones doing huge majority of suffering are not soldiers but civilians. How many here have had serious sad moment while reading about them?

I feel that it is necessary as there are certain hints that for example US news tend to forget to paint very accurate picture of what takes place. Death of US marine is tragedy in those sources, 50 iraqis is statistic. Number...
War is being turned into videogame where human suffering is turned into numbers and charts. Killing is made easier or even into entertainment with guncams showing white blips being annihilated by chatting and joking crew.

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And I'm outta here. Hope the guy with heart makes good recovery.

[humvee2800]

And for every hero you have at least one William Calley or similar.

I would love to see a source for that outrageous claim

What is your point here? That US marines are humans who are capable of being nice? Well, that was given. But they also have same capability of being cruel.

It seems that they tend to show more of the former though

And on top of it, it is irrelevant. They should not be in Iraq, period.
There would not be over 100 000 innocent dead iraqis if USA had not invaded

.

Mmm, the smell of a strawman in the morning

Having gone to Iraq they have agreed to oppress and occupy another nation.

Definition oppress: come down on or keep down by unjust use of one's authority

Oh my god those evil americans, giving the iraqis free elections, what kinda of monsters are they.

Yes, they would have been hit with US lawbook if they had done that. But wouldn't that be heroic? Sacrificing yourself (and most likely without dying) to save thousands of others you have never even met!

What are you talking about

[Tiwaz]

I would love to see a source for that outrageous claim

I know I said I'll stay away but since you ask stuff from me...

Just go read up on cases for variety of warcrimes committed in Iraq for starters. Then consider if it would be in interests of powers that be to try to reduce amount of information leaked out from such incidents to remind you that you most likely do not hear of many cases if they can be covered up at all.

And then take into account how these "good" stories make great propaganda, thus more likely to be brought forth by powers that be.

It seems that they tend to show more of the former though
.

And that would not have anything to do with some posters only trying to concentrate on opposite?

Mmm, the smell of a strawman in the morning

You mean they would have died equally soon if USA had not invaded?
Or that those soldiers would have found grenades to jump on if they hadn't invaded?

Definition oppress: come down on or keep down by unjust use of one's authority

Oh my god those evil americans, giving the iraqis free elections, what kinda of monsters are they.

Invaded and now control. That "government" is pathetic excuse. All I say... Google "Iraq" and "oil law". It gives prime example of come down on Iraq through unjust use of authority. Forcing government to suck up law which is in US interest but not in iraqi interests.

What are you talking about

I'm saying about soldiers doing sacrifice and saying "hell no, I won't go!"
Refusal to deploy. Court case yes, but ends up with no war if enough do it.

[Hotspur]

But they also have same capability of being cruel.

An occurrence not limited to Iraq, unfortunately.

[Carach]

What is your point here? That US marines are humans who are capable of being nice? Well, that was given.

u prefer to focus on only the bad things instead...god forbid we bring some balance to the argument?!

[mrmouth]

I wish people would stop starting threads like this because its serves as a rallying cry to a certain group on this forum.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

As with any thread.
Why just the other day I created an innocuous, innocent thread "Should Muslims drive the Israelis into the sea or should Israelis preemptively open cans of whupass".
You wouldn't believe how people started making it into a political bickering point.

[Carach]

I wish people would stop starting threads like this because its serves as a rallying cry to a certain group on this forum.

Of course, there's only ment to be one faction that does all the talking on this forum.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Sig is obviously just plucking nerves here, "aw he's so nice" so all the pro-war people will say "hell yeah, cause he's a soldier" and the anti-war people will say "but soldiers kill" and so ensues the never-ending debate over nothing by a bunch of nobodies.

[Rapax]

I wish people would stop starting threads like this because its serves as a rallying cry to a certain group on this forum.

Well yeah, not only that, but it also has nothing to do with politics.

Balancing issues and providing "good news" is one thing, but it shouldn't drive people to post "hearts and minds" (no pun intended) stories in the political mudpit.

[SigniferOne]

I wish people would stop starting threads like this because its serves as a rallying cry to a certain group on this forum.

You misunderstand. One of the major reasons why I post threads like these is to get that certain group rallied up in the first place, to bring their views out in the open where they can be examined by all. For instance, Tiwaz's highest evaluation of the Navy Seal who dove on the grenade was that he was merely a nice guy.

Who still was cruel and mean person, necessarily.

What else could be said to a person like that, except getting him to post out in the open, and show what sort of inveterate critics the US has? Obviously anyone can disagree with US decisions here and there, but it's people like this that demonstrate and throw molotov cocktails.

[Rapax]

You misunderstand. One of the major reasons why I post threads like these is to get that certain group rallied up in the first place, to bring their views out in the open where they can be examined by all.

Uhm yeah, because there haven't been any threads so far that had this effect. Those america critics sure are good at hiding. What a cunning plan of yours to lure them out.

[Heinz Guderian]

Tiwaz's highest evaluation of the Navy Seal who dove on the grenade was that he was merely a nice guy.

Who still was cruel and mean person, necessarily.

What else could be said to a person like that, except getting him to post out in the open, and show what sort of inveterate critics the US has? Obviously anyone can disagree with US decisions here and there, but it's people like this that demonstrate and throw molotov cocktails.

Tiwaz throws molotov cocktails? pics or it never happened.

[mrmouth]

What else could be said to a person like that, except getting him to post out in the open, and show what sort of inveterate critics the US has?

Well, I understand both sides here. I don't really feel this is any different as anyone else donating an organ in all actuality.

I can also understand your reasons for posting it, but lets face it, there are more people here who feel the need to post negatively in any thread about the US or its people, than there are to the contrary.

Either the internet brings out the true peoples feelings, or the people I have met on my journeys all over the globe, are holding their true feelings back. Needless to say Ive had more intelligent debate with people in person, and I hate to believe that they were holding back, if this forum is indeed looked at as a microcosm of the world.

Ive had conversations with many people, in many different countries, from all walks of life, and Ive never come across the type of people with the opinions expressed here, I can safely say.

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

And on top of it, it is irrelevant. They should not be in Iraq, period.
There would not be over 100 000 innocent dead iraqis if USA had not invaded.

There would just be 100'000 dead Kurds and dictatorship but I'm sure you lefties are allright with that.

Death to American imperialism!

[Wagnijo]

There would just be 100'000 dead Kurds and dictatorship but I'm sure you lefties are allright with that.

1) Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) was not under Iraqi control prior to the invasion
but mainly controlled by the US.

2) Both major Kurd political movements are more or less socialist.

KDP was formed inside the USSR in 1946

PUK identifies itself as social-democratic.

Why do you think that the US would kill 100.000 socialist kurds while being
applauded by lefties?

Alternatively

Wy dont you check facts before posting?

[Duke_of_Bavaria]

1) Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) was not under Iraqi control prior to the invasion
but mainly controlled by the US.

And still Sadam was able to kill them :hmmm:?

2) Both major Kurd political movements are more or less socialist.


KDP was formed inside the USSR in 1946

PUK identifies itself as social-democratic.

Why do you think that the US would kill 100.000 socialist kurds while being
applauded by lefties?

Alternatively

Wy dont you check facts before posting?

What does that have to do with anything? My dislike of socialists doesn't mean I want to round up and kill them... At least not all of them..