A small idea (fleets)

[Vict0r_1984]

I know, but, maybe we should change the fleets, because they look ancient, not medieval. We can try to make them appear on the map something like this: http://www.modelshipmaster.com/produ.../saomiguel.jpg
The number of soldiers can be represented in the ship`s color, not in the sails.

[AnthoniusII]

if ship model needed...



Pirphoros Dromon(fire dromon)....

[ComnenusTheOne]

There are no naval battles in M2TW and frankly i dont really care how they look on the european map.

[il_duce_!]

I do. And I will probably make new models.

Post more of those pictures and/or models of medieval ships.

[Romano-Dacis]

Some artistic works representations
late 14th century ships - at Nicopolis

Ships in battle - 15th century

Galley

Crusader ship

Dhow - Early Arabic ships

Nao - 15th century Mediterranean

Carvel - 15th century ship

Greek Fire

Saettia - Venetian ship

Xebec - late-era Turkish ship


Anthonius, I have a question, are dromons still used by 1345? I know they were used before, even as early as the 7th century, but were they still around this late?

[AnthoniusII]

@Romano-Dacis
Yes in a biger-larger version often called Pamphiloi!
In fact byzantine and arabic vessels were the larger and stronger that era!
They even used cavalry carries with rambs in the rear to help the horsemen to come out the shores on top of their hose back!
The main problem was the unworthy emperors of the near past and the new surcomstances!

[Orko]

I think you should add another animation of ships. I remember that in PDER they changed the merchant ships that move on the sea trade routes to look more reliable. maybe you can do that too.

[Vict0r_1984]

The muslims don`t accepted all the inventions from the west, so their ships were different, not like the orthodox and catholic ones. Their ships haved more oars than the others, and also much sails with good stuff (they haved very good textiles - lots of cotton ,silk and other materials). A turk ship from 1500: http://www.muslimheritage.com/uploads/figure%204.1.jpg
So, they haved the best tools, and their ships will travel more easy. We can make them with a bigger moving zone.

[GrnEyedDvl]

We can give muslim admirals extra movement points, but the starting action points are all the same. You cant set them by faction.

[Vict0r_1984]

Ok, but if you can give movement points by religion it is also good.

[GrnEyedDvl]

You cant. All armies/ships move the same. Characters can have bonuses that increase/decrease movement, and if they are generals or admirals it effects the stack they are with. But you cannot give a stack without a general/admiral movement bonuses/penalties.

[Vict0r_1984]

You can`t give bonus points at the turk ships like at the cusade armies? (who can move more than the simple armies)

[Vict0r_1984]

It`s good that at least the ships will look medieval on the map (the first are like the ones from Rome Total war).
Your mod is great and I hope it will be released soon.

[Tzar]

Please NO double posts, use edit

[GrnEyedDvl]

You can`t give bonus points at the turk ships like at the cusade armies? (who can move more than the simple armies)

No, only to the Turk admirals. But not every ship will have an admiral.

[Vict0r_1984]

It`s ok if you give some points to the admirals.

[Aerrol]

No, only to the Turk admirals. But not every ship will have an admiral.

But doesn't every navy have an admiral? If so, and every turkish admiral has said move points, won't the effect be the same?

[Vict0r_1984]

About the ship models posted, they will be added in the map?