[Citizen][FAILED 0:8:0 17.4.08] yelowdogg23 (Patron: Empress Meg)

**Belisarius** · April 11, 2008, 07:58 PM

I would like to patronize yelowdogg23. A member of the TWC forums since October of 2006, he has a modest but respectable post count and wants to increase it via more actions in the higher echelons of the TWC. While he does spend a great deal of time in the Stainless Steel forum, yelowdogg23 contributes to the subforum by creating signatures for those loyal fans. He helped to track down and curb the spammers during the small uprising in that forum during the last days of March.

I request that he be given the opportunity to become a citizen under my patronage.

Thank you, Empress Meg

His application:

I would like to become a citizen because I think that I have contributed to these great forums. Since the day I joined, I've always been loyal to this site, gave fair responses and opinions, helped people, followed and did not break the rules. I am always respectful to people and never had problems with anybody. I give reputation points to people who deserved them. Also, I am not so bad at graphic design; made a few signatures for people.

That is why I would like to become a bigger part of this site, and continue to make an even greater coribution to the TWcenter. Thank you for reading, and I hope that you will allow me to become a new citizen.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · April 12, 2008, 12:29 AM

Belisarius this wasn't even close to being posted in the right place or the right way. Please familiarise yourself with the proceedure.

**~~removeduser_426582376423734~~** · April 12, 2008, 05:16 AM

All he needs is to put Meg's paragraph into quote marks. As Empress Meg's last candidate lacked badly in most fields, I'll approach this suspiciously.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · April 12, 2008, 05:23 AM

Shyam, I've moved and changed it.

**~~removeduser_426582376423734~~** · April 12, 2008, 05:27 AM

Oh...

**Lord Rahl** · April 12, 2008, 11:22 AM

From what I've seen, other members should be more deserving of citizenship from signature creation. From perusing his profile, I haven't seen anything that merits a promotion to Citizen. Unless I'm provided evidence otherwise, I'm saying no.

**~~removeduser_426582376423734~~** · April 12, 2008, 02:51 PM

Agreed. Most of his posts are "good job with the mod, +rep", "how do I..." and "here's your sig". If he moves to the Sig/Avatar thread in the TD and provides much help there, maybe he could become a citizen. Otherwise, sorry, no.

**Belisarius** · April 12, 2008, 10:25 PM

Where did i post it? It was like 1am here and I said I'd better do it now or i'd forget.

**~~removeduser_487563287433~~** · April 13, 2008, 02:04 AM

In the CDeC main.

**Belisarius** · April 13, 2008, 12:04 PM

Didn't Notice :-/

**Hotspur** · April 14, 2008, 07:54 AM

Sig making for a single mod in and of itself is nowhere near enough for citizenship. No.

**Zephrelial** · April 14, 2008, 12:42 PM

I agree that sig making isn't enough to be granted citizenship.Compared to other aspects it's fairly a narrow and easy process that requires a basic knowledge of photoshop,and being a loyal for any mod can not be considered as an attribute worthy of achieving citizenship either.

**Trax** · April 15, 2008, 08:03 AM

He asks for rep in his sig, do we really have to think long and hard in this case?

**Dayman** · April 15, 2008, 09:40 AM

Ok, here goes my first vote...

I looked at his posts for a good 30 minutes...and I see nothing that would indicate him as qualified to be a citizen. Ok, he seems to be a nice guy, and fun loving. That's a plus to me, but almost all of his non-"modding" posts are essentially lighthearted spam. Other good things about him, well, he makes signatures for SS, and does a little bit of troubleshooting. That's good. But that's not enough. Maybe if he started, like Shyam said into the TD sig thread, or started doing artwork for mods then that would be more of a bonus to me. And I echo Trax's sentiments, a citizen should not care about rep at all. Plus his name is misspelled, but that could be intentional.

It's a no. I don't think he's near earned it.

**Hotspur** · April 15, 2008, 01:01 PM

Citizenship is not about whether or not someone should have a say in how TWC is run. It is an acknowledgment of contribution. The end. If someone chooses to become involved in the Curia or Staff, that is their choice, but their ability to do so should not be a litmus test for citizenship.

**Dayman** · April 15, 2008, 01:03 PM

I think you misunderstand me, I don't think their contributions have earned them that right to do so or not, not that this is an application to have a say.

However your point is taken.