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    "I hope IOC officials can eliminate all kinds of disturbance and continue to adhere to principles of the Olympic charter," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

    Political pressure

    Demonstrators critical of China's rights record and the recent crackdown on protests in Tibet have disrupted the UK, French and US stages of the Olympic torch relay.

    The Dalai Lama - who many Tibetans regard as their spiritual leader - said on Thursday that China deserved to host the Games, but that protesters had the right to express themselves in non-violent ways.

    Also on Thursday, members of the European Parliament called on EU leaders to boycott the games if there was no resumption of dialogue between China and the Dalai Lama.


    Speaking in Beijing, Mr Rogge said: "It is a crisis. There is no doubt about that. But the IOC has weathered many bigger storms."

    He said Chinese officials had said that awarding the Games to Beijing would help advance social change in China, including human rights.

    Mr Rogge said he considered that "a moral engagement... and we definitely ask China to respect this moral engagement".

    However, addressing a joint meeting between the Association of National Olympic Committees and the IOC executive board, he said officials should reassure athletes.





    "Tell them that they are going to set an example and that the world will be watching them. We have 120 days to achieve that and I am sure it is going to be successful."

    In the US, both Democratic presidential hopefuls have called on President George W Bush to consider boycotting the Beijing opening ceremony if China does not improve its human rights record.

    "A boycott of the opening ceremonies should be firmly on the table but this decision should be made closer to the Games [in August]," Senator Barack Obama said a day after a similar call by Senator Hillary Clinton.

    The US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly passed a motion condemning China's "extreme" response to recent protests in Tibet.

    A spokeswoman for UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he would not be attending the opening ceremonies, but had never intended to do so and would be at the closing ceremony.

    'Saddened'

    The Olympic flame was lit in Greece on 24 March and is being relayed through 20 countries before being carried into the opening ceremony in Beijing on 8 August.

    HAVE YOUR SAY The Olympics have always been politically motivated so protests should be accepted Thomas, Guilford, UK

    The threat of protests has meant that torch-bearers have been immersed in a cocoon of security, surrounded by dozens of police officers and Chinese guards in track-suits.

    In Paris, the torch had to be extinguished three times because of safety concerns, while in London there were 37 arrests.

    The US stage of the torch relay in San Francisco on Wednesday passed off amid confusion and tight security.

    Mr Rogge said he had been "saddened' by violent protests in Europe but he believed the San Francisco relay had been an improvement.

    "It was, however, not the joyous party that we had wished it to be," he added.

    Demonstrators also sought to disrupt the torch relay in Athens and Istanbul, while it passed successfully through Almaty, in Kazakhstan, and St Petersburg, in Russia.

    It is due to arrive in the Argentine capital, Buenos Aires, later this week.


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    UNITED NATIONS - / MaximsNews Network / - 10 April 2008 -- Fully prepared to hosting the highly anticipated Olympic Games on 8 August 2008, the Chinese - miscalculating their universal popularity contest - are caught unprepared in an unprecedented storm of unwelcome scrutiny on issues which hitherto were considered a matter of their internal sovereignty.

    The problems started when the earlier promise of “green” games was unlikely to materialize. The international outcry, on environmental problems, intensified when some participating countries expressed uneasiness with the city’s poor air quality and the Ethiopian top runner Haile Gebreselassie decided to skip the Olympic marathon out of concern for his health.

    In the process, the International Olympic Committee cautioned that some endurance Olympic events might have to be postponed if the air quality would remain poor. All this was compounded by concern about China ’s role as one of the largest emitter of greenhouse gases and contributor to ozone depletion, marine and freshwater pollution and the illegal timber trade.

    But the problems did not stop here. With the high profile departure of Stephen Spielberg - artistic advisor to the Beijing Olympics - over Chinese policy in Darfur, media focus was this time directed to Chinese foreign policy and in particular of its economic interests in Africa.

    This was a scenario dreaded by the Government of China which it sought to avoid at all cost ever since it was selected as host of the 2008 Olympic Games. In a statement issued a few days later, the Chinese Government underlined its solidarity with the international community in resolving the political crisis in the Sudan and asked the Government of Sudan to do more to end the bloodshed.

    Yet other concerns over issues such as security, travel or accommodations and alike gave rise to impassioned debates in many countries. A critical, if not major boiling point, however, proved to be a gross underestimation of a problem that has been brewing for over 50 years: Tibet . The outbreak of violent clashes in Lhasa between Tibetans and the Chinese government forces put the issue abruptly on the forefront of the Olympic agenda.

    Although, the Olympic planners somehow anticipated the Tibet issue, though in a rather casual manner, the intensity and apparent degree of orchestration of the ensuing protests in many countries, especially in the West, in favor of Tibetan freedom and support for the Dalai Lama were not.

    The Chinese authorities, therefore, were seemingly caught unprepared, if not utterly surprised by the incidents during the Olympic flame ceremony in ancient Olympia , Greece . Members of “Reporters sans Frontieres” and of the Tibetan resistance movement together were able to intrude the lighting ceremony in full limelight of the international media and their cameras, displaying a modified version of the Olympic flag with five handcuffs having replaced the Olympic rings.

    Ongoing clashes between Tibetans and Chinese government forces then commanded further headlines – and expressions of concern – of the international press. Nancy Pelosi (the Speaker of the US House of Representatives) met with the Dalai Lama at his exile in India and stated that events in Tibet were "a challenge to the conscience of the world“. As the Olympic torch began its 80000 km tour, demonstrators mobilized and gathered steam especially in Europe and the United States .

    In London thousands of protesters waved Tibetan flags and shouted "Shame on China ". The torch run was coming under attack and disrupted, forcing the decision to load it on a boat and rush it away from the reach of violent demonstrators.

    In Paris , several hundred demonstrators waved “Free Tibet” banners and in view of a huge banner calling for human rights unfurled at Paris City Hall , the ceremony there was cancelled by the Chinese organizers. Under physical attack by demonstrators, even equipped with a fire extinguisher, the torch was extinguished four times. The torch and torchbearers were bundled into a police bus and whisked away from the demonstrators, even canceling the last leg of the run. On the whole, the French riot police seemed to show more latitude to pro-Chinese than anti-Chinese demonstrators.

    The journey of the Olympic flame to San Francisco , as the only American city, took place on 9 April. The Tibetan Youth Congress, and Tibetan Woman Association, National Democratic Party of Tibet and some other highly organized groups had planned demonstrations along the route of the torch. The assumption, if not hope was that these demonstrations unlike those in Paris and London would be rather peaceful.

    This was seen as partly due to the fact that the Tibetan population in California was significantly outnumbered by the Chinese by a factor of four to one and partly because of American economic and business interests. Yet, the event is turning out to come under similar challenge as in Europe , and again routes were changed at the last moment to minimize the potential disruption and embarrassment.

    After San Francisco , the torch is scheduled to travel to Buenos Aires , Argentina , and then to a dozen other countries in Asia, before entering Mainland China .

    In a word, the Olympic torch experience had turned into a public relations disaster, if not nightmare. Instead of highlighting the joy and harmony of the upcoming Olympics and the Olympic peace, the torch-relay became a rallying cry for grievances against the Chinese government with respect to Tibet and human rights.

    At the political level, the international response to Tibetan protests has been rather mixed. Calls for a boycott of the Olympics itself did not gather steam. Instead, the idea of boycotting or, more diplomatically, non-attendance at the opening ceremony gathered steam and won the support of politicians including President Sarkozy, Chancellor Merkel and European Parliament President Hans-Gert Pöttering.

    Speaking ahead of a European Parliament debate this week on the crisis, Pöttering told Germany 's Bild am Sonntag newspaper that "boycott measures" could be justified if the Chinese failed to negotiate a "compromise" with the Tibetan protest leaders. EU Foreign Ministers at a recent meeting in Slovenia however could not – yet – agree on a common stance. The Australian PM while supporting the holding of the Olympic Games in China , will personally not attend.

    The President of the International Olympic Committee, Jacques Rogge, defended the decision to hold the Games in China , saying there was "no momentum" for a boycott…and the major political leaders don't want a boycott." British Prime Minister Gordon Brown shook hand with a torch-bearer in front of No 10 Downing Street and excluded the possibility of an Olympic boycott, maybe also mindful of the potential for retaliation by the Chinese in 2012, when London will host the Games.

    French President Sarkozy was vocal in his objections to Beijing ’s human rights policies and declared, “All options are on the table”. Later on he had to deny the statement of his Minister of State responsible for human rights, Rama Yade that “President Nicolas Sarkozy would boycott the Games opening ceremony unless China starts talking with the Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, and releases political prisoners”. She had also accused China of "assimilation and colonization" in Tibet and of "marginalizing" the population.

    In spite of Pelosi’s statement, the US Government has confirmed that President Bush would attend the opening ceremonies in Beijing , while encouraging dialogue with the Dalai Lama. Attempts to link the unrest in Tibet to the Olympics is likely to enrage the Chinese government, which had hoped the games would be a showcase for the country's economic progress rather than a lightning rod for criticisms of its political system.

    These developments and debates run counter to the original intents of the founder of the modern Olympics, Pierre de Coubertin. Olympic games per se did little during the 20th century to bring about peace to the world. In fact, during WWI and WWII three Olympiads were not held. The 1972 Summer Games in Munich were blighted by terrorism. A bombing occurred 1996 in Atlanta ’s Centennial Olympic Park with several casualties.

    A quick glance at the history of boycotts of the Games since WWII also shows how the Games were instrumentalised for political objectives and purposes: the 1956 Melbourne Olympics were boycotted by Spain, Netherlands and Switzerland in protest against the Soviet Union and its crushing of the Hungarian uprising; the Suez crisis in late 60’s led to the further boycott by Lebanon, Cambodia, Iraq and Egypt.

    The 1976 Montreal Olympics were boycotted by a large number of African countries for refusal by the IOC to ban South Africa , Rhodesia and New Zealand from the games. Again, in Montreal the Chinese objected to the participation of Taiwan . Then came the 1980 Moscow Olympics, which were boycotted by some 100 countries in protest against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan .

    Boycotts and retaliatory acts motivated by political developments seem to have become an inseparable part of the Olympic politics. Is there a way out of this quagmire?

    During the elaborate and lengthy election process of evaluating and selecting bids by contenders to host the 2008 Olympics, the aspects of political freedoms and human rights and the Chinese policies and track record must surely have been well-considered by the International Olympic Committee. It was argued that the decision to award the Olympic Games to Beijing might have been based on the hope that the global spotlight and exposure would help improve the situation and further promote the opening and liberalization of China .

    It could also be argued that rarely before had the honor of hosting the Games been accorded to a developing country (with the exception of Sarajevo ). It could equally be argued that from an ethical point of view the selection was motivated by the spirit of the Olympic Charter that no selection decisions should be based on political, race, language and other discriminatory attributes.

    Whatever reasons or motivations prevailed in the mind of the members of the IOC when selecting Beijing in 2002, China was considered fit to host the 2008 Games, also crowning the country’s opening and economic reforms. Publicly, few questions were then raised concerning the relevance of China ’s internal policies or human rights record.

    “Beware of an angry China ’ was the title of an article by Philip Bowring in the International Herald Tribune of 9 April 2008. He observed “nationalism is more often aroused by setbacks than success, so the Tibet problems and the possible threats to a triumphal Olympics are stirring it in China ”. He wonders “how will the Chinese react if the Olympics really do become noted more for demonstrations and boycotts by Tibetan-inspired foreigners than for the achievements of China ’s athletes and organizers? At whom will popular anger then be directed?”

    Considering the ongoing international debate, the Chinese could resist the international pressure on proffering an immediate solution for Tibet or to make their influence and weight felt with respect to Darfur and Myanmar . Would China be prepared to face a reduced participation in the Olympics and go forward with them? Or, an unlikely prospect, might it decide to cancel the Games?

    For the moment, this is all in the realm of speculation – but the implications of “spoiling the party” are likely to be grave if not unpredictable for the world at large. Any tightening of China ’s opening “socialist market economy” would have an enduring impact on world trade and the world economy as a whole. If China were to become more introvert again, it might have unwelcome consequences for the world at large. This then leaves the world community and China in a complex and gravely embarrassing situation well beyond the immediate focus of the protestors.

    Amid all this political dust and fallout, the question may also be raised, whither the athletic dimensions and the interests of the athletes. Should political competitions driven by the complex realities of the day, indeed by globalization, play such a prominent role in the overall framework of such unifying event of the world and should it overshadow the athletic dimensions? A serious question that calls for a serious answer.



    Does China deserve to host the Olympics? Furthermore can they host the Olympics? With all this political turmoil and China's less than creative response, I can't help but wonder why and how the olympics are going to be hosted there. According to the Dalai Lama it does.

    Let's see. They were the leading country in carbon emissions last year, why should they be honored...

    They are notorious for their human rights violations....again why should they be honored...



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    1/5 of population on Earth doesn't deserve to host the Olympics?
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    My biggest concern about the 2008 Olympics is that China might win more medals than the US. I don't care about Tibet, civil rights in China, or their carbon emissions.





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    China as a collective whole does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Pontifex_ View Post
    China as a collective whole does not.
    By your standards no great power deserves to host the Olympics.





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    Quote Originally Posted by _Pontifex_ View Post
    China as a collective whole does not.
    why is that?

    olympic is a people's game.

    how would you feel if USA is hosting the olympics and around the world everyone is trying to kill your olympic hope cuz of war in Iraq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    why is that?

    olympic is a people's game.

    how would you feel if USA is hosting the olympics and around the world everyone is trying to kill your olympic hope cuz of war in Iraq?
    The East Bloc boycotted the 1984 Olympiad in Los Angeles on the pretext of US involvement in Nicaragua, although in reality it was just revenge for us boycotting the 1980 Olympiad in Moscow (due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan).





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    Quote Originally Posted by Daovonnaex View Post
    The East Bloc boycotted the 1984 Olympiad in Los Angeles on the pretext of US involvement in Nicaragua, although in reality it was just revenge for us boycotting the 1980 Olympiad in Moscow (due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan).
    don't you think they are being a dick?

    like American people worked so hard to prepare for the game and some dicks try to spoil it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    why is that?

    olympic is a people's game.

    how would you feel if USA is hosting the olympics and around the world everyone is trying to kill your olympic hope cuz of war in Iraq?
    If this olympics was being held in the US then what you described would most likely be happening There would be protesters along the torch travels as well, remember we've had olympics held here boycotted by Russian block in the past as well as boycotting theirs....sorry but China better get use to this type of stuff it comes with the position in the world.

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    Being a beacon of democracy has never been a prerequisite for hosting the Olympics, aswell as Moscow, Britain hosted it when we still colonised a large part of the globe and in 1936 when Germany held it, most of the teams saluted old Adolf during the opening ceremony.

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    China is outstanding, and you know it. Why can't Italy host the Olympics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Pontifex_ View Post
    China is outstanding, and you know it. Why can't Italy host the Olympics?
    everyone gets a turn.

    China was supposed to get the 2000 olympics, then they lost by a minor margin.

    this is a global game, everyone gets to host it.

    plus, did Italy nominate one city for the game in 08?
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    It was a jerk move of us to boycott the Moscow games too





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    Quote Originally Posted by Daovonnaex View Post
    It was a jerk move of us to boycott the Moscow games too
    is China in a cold-war with the rest of the world or something?

    I mean Beijing is voted in by the representatives from the world to host the Olympics. There are a lot of preparations, funds and anticipations go along with hosting this great event. They had to wait an extra 8 years just because they lost to Sidney by a couple votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    is China in a cold-war with the rest of the world or something?
    Most of the people here are probably typing on a computer made in China. I know I am!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    Most of the people here are probably typing on a computer made in China. I know I am!
    don't blame us if it explodes LOL. we didn't design it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    Most of the people here are probably typing on a computer made in China. I know I am!
    My Underpants are probably Chinese,








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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    is China in a cold-war with the rest of the world or something?

    I mean Beijing is voted in by the representatives from the world to host the Olympics. There are a lot of preparations, funds and anticipations go along with hosting this great event. They had to wait an extra 8 years just because they lost to Sidney by a couple votes.
    China is currently a rapidly rising power and is changing the established international order. As such, it is often resented and feared by the long established great powers.





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    No, China is just going through some rough times internationally speaking. I can't speak for anyone though. It just seems that this time around China has not deserved the honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Pontifex_ View Post
    No, China is just going through some rough times internationally speaking. I can't speak for anyone though. It just seems that this time around China has not deserved the honor.
    well, i understand the human rights concern and everything. that's good. The world cares.

    but, this is the most populous nation on earth and a rising superpower. Sure it has flaws. but at least the people of 1.3 billion deserve to host that event. I find it unbelievable that 1/5 of earth population has never hosted the world's most important sports event.
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