New factions

**Alex_Peresvet** · April 08, 2008, 12:41 AM

It really to add in DLV 3 new factions - Aragon, Serbia and Kipchak chanate?

**Nordi** · April 08, 2008, 12:59 AM

Serbia sounds good, but the rest :hmmm:

**TheG** · April 08, 2008, 01:37 AM

Historically only Aragon would fit. Serbia became an indipendent state much later. If we'd want another faction this should be Bulgaria - a mix of slavic and nomadic elements. Well that's my opinion

**eggthief** · April 08, 2008, 06:51 AM

Some guy who makes a submod for dlv includes Aragon in it methinks, he removed milan tho.

**Tokus*Maximus** · April 08, 2008, 07:00 AM

DLV Europa has Aragon, Wales and Mali. The full Norge faction symbol flag with Tokus*banner will also be there to behold in-game at last! The gang are working hard with Sir Harry to get the developing version ready for you all to persue and enjoy.

Hope this finds you all well,

Jamie

**Meister Sibrand** · April 08, 2008, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tokus*Maximus

DLV Europa has Aragon, Wales and Mali. The full Norge faction symbol flag with Tokus*banner will also be there to behold in-game at last! The gang are working hard with Sir Harry to get the developing version ready for you all to persue and enjoy.

Hope this finds you all well,

Jamie

YES F'IN FINALLY SO PUMPED!

**Darviathar** · April 09, 2008, 04:03 PM

Has there ever been any thought to adding Antioch as a faction? I realize that area is getting a bit crowded, but as a Byzantine player I would really enjoy the chance to cross swords with catholics in Asia Minor.

**Werebear** · April 08, 2008, 07:04 AM

"full Norge faction symbol flag" what about dlv vanilla?

**Tokus*Maximus** · April 08, 2008, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by isilendil

"full Norge faction symbol flag" what about dlv vanilla?

What about DLVanilla? What about it?

I did a Norge flag - full set - but I don't do code so it wouldn't be me to ask about that would it?

-- Tokus*Maximus

**Werebear** · April 08, 2008, 07:48 AM

Ok. Then sorry

**Tokus*Maximus** · April 08, 2008, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by isilendil

Ok. Then sorry

That's quite okay Isilendil, a lot of folk mistake me for a coder/scripter and I get many personal messages asking for changes I cannot make. Sooner or later they'll realise I'm only a lowly graphics mule!

T*M

**Leonnidas** · April 12, 2008, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tokus*Maximus

That's quite okay Isilendil, a lot of folk mistake me for a coder/scripter and I get many personal messages asking for changes I cannot make. Sooner or later they'll realise I'm only a great graphics mule!

T*M

I corrected 4u

**Vangar** · April 08, 2008, 08:22 AM

Well, whtever Kipchak something is supposed to be, according to wikipedia it was founded in 1441. (He founded his independent state in 1441 after a long-lasting struggle for independence from the Golden Horde.)

As well as Serbia, these factions wouldn't belong in the rough timeline of DLV. And Aragon would be pretty much the same as Spain and Portugal. Sure, they'd have something unique about them, but there are already too much factions which are almost the same. I'm glad they removed Kievan Rus, which was almost identical to Novgorod. But I never tried the faction which replaced Kiev, it's not that important to me and I don't like those eastern horse-archer people that much. Milan and Flanders could be removed also, and Norway is already almost the same as Denmark, just with another colour... I mean, I really like Viking and I'm quite a bit in Norse history and mythology etc., but from a gameplay point of view, either Norway or Denmark is unnecessary. That's what I'm talking about.

**Werebear** · April 08, 2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Junpei

removed Kievan Rus, which was almost identical to Novgorod.

Lol Why not spain? =)))))) almost identical to portugal

I think we need bulgaria (desert tribes) and aragon (aztec!!!!!!)

**hekk** · April 08, 2008, 08:39 AM

Kiev was historically more powerful than Novgorod by this time and Novgorod was still under the influence of Kiev.

Serbia, Bulgaria or any other Balkan faction would be nice too.

**Vangar** · April 08, 2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by isilendil

Lol Why not spain? =)))))) almost identical to portugal

I think we need bulgaria (desert tribes) and aragon (aztec!!!!!!)

Well, spain has quite a important role facing the moors. But Portugal gets really important when it comes to the new world, but that isn't too much of an issue I'd agree on the removal of portugal, especially when romoving the aztecs, who have no reason for being in this game/mod at all. I also agree on the desert tribes. I guess it would make even more sense to add some more german duchies like Braunschweig than having those "Desert Tribes" as a faction

**Alexios Komnenos** · April 08, 2008, 10:13 AM

The Crown of Aragon conquered most of the West Mediterranean islands, including Sicilia and south Italia, and stablished a commercial empire that rivalized with Genoa. I think that this is more than Serbia or any remain of the Golden Horde did.

But you're right, there are too many factions in the Iberian Peninsula. However, I think that Spain should be renamed as Castille. Spain was, in fact, the name given in the Middle-Ages (Hispania, Espania or Spanya) to the whole Iberian Peninsula. In the XV Century, with the Catholic Kings, both crowns of Castille and Aragon were started to be called Spain.

Besides, to have another Kingdom of Aragon with the actual Aragonese banner (which is not X Century Aragonese's banner), and castellan names or colours, I'd prefer to focus in another kingdom to develop. Bulgaria or Serbia would be good choices.