Question

[The Slav]

Hello I have a question.
I've been playing M2TW and it isn't that great and then couple days ago i went to go look for my RTW and i found it but it was really damaged and i cant install it. Now ive been browsing these forums for couple months now and its really cool. I've played a lot of the mods for M2TW but i really want to play RTW. Anyways to the question should i install this mod right after a install my game and patch it? Because i forget how the AI and everything was for RTW so idk what to do. Opinions?

[The Slav]

actually this mod isn't really what i thought it was. Does this mod fix the game Like historically and improve AI?

[florin80]

So, is it or isn`t it what you were looking for? Hard to see from your pretty contradictory statment.

[The Slav]

well im sorry i hastily posted i should have read more about the mod.

My question is should I just install RTR right away. Now im not looking for alot of changes just maybe something to improve the gameplay.


I hope that was clear sorry

[florin80]

Well, rtr is alot of changes. All units have been reskinned/remodelled and new units added. The recruiting is based on the aor system so you need to go through the auxilia phases before being able to recruit the faction units. Some factions have been changed(thrace to bactria, britons to illyrians and so on) and there is a bigger map. This is to name a few of the changes.
As for gamplay, it depends what makes you happy. RTR 6 was done with an interest for accuracy in mind(not saying it is 100% accurate) and to a lesser extent with faction balance in the sense this was done in vanilla. Also, you should know that there is only one roman faction and no senate and the romans don`t get units of the imperial times(like lorica segmentate legionaries) so if you`re the kind of roman fanboy that wants lots of roman units as in vanilla you`ll be dissapointed.
Ai in rtw can`t be moded. You can only influence it with battle formations and this sort of things.

[The Slav]

right...Well ill see. this will be on the list of mods to try. After i play the regular campaign im going to try mods that really change the game like the fourth age.

[Korlon]

It is of my opinion that RTR basically overhauls the entire original vanilla game. As it has been said, the recruiting system has changed, the units have been changed, and the battles have been changed as well. It's practically a brand new game, and certainly better than vanilla (No idea how anybody can play that after getting a mod such as RTR).

[Tony83]

If you're relatively new to RTW, then I see nothing wrong in enjoying the vanilla game. It's true that mods like RTR take the game to a new level but the original campaign is not without its charm.

Once you have paid for your game, why not enjoy it for as long as you will? When you are ready, there are a whole range of mods that will give you greater depth and realism, which you can try - and they are all free!

[Mikail Mengsk]

I agree with Tony, try the original RTW campaign, enjoy playing it! I played it for a month without any mod.

When you will need more realism, and a far better game experience, try a mod. I prefere RTR because many mods are too heavy in some aspects (graphic for Casus Belli, scripts for Europa Barbarorum), or makes too many changes (like for example Lord Of The Rings mod), and RTR is in fact all i want from that game .

You just have to find the right mod.

[Pat89]

Hey,
Actually I played Vanilla for something like 2 years...
Didn't know it could be modded let alone that there are mods who completely change it like RTR. I could only dream of playing Dacia or Macedon, having a city on Corsica and especially expand the map to the East making it far more fun and realistic to play as Parthia or Seleucid Empire. First I discovered the upper part of the descr_strat.txt file and was thus able to play as Macedon. After that I discovered RTR and I always came back to it after trying out other mods (except ExRM, but that's still RTR). But that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy playing vanilla... RTR is just even better (and far more realistic ) than vanilla.

So play what you want to play (even if it's vanilla), as long as you enjoy it
I would advice RTR + ExRM

PS

[The Slav]

o ive already played RTW but like a while ago...i broke the disk so im getting a new copy. Anyways what are the big mods for RTW. Ive never really played a RTW mod just M2TW.

[Pat89]

There are a lot of mods that changed "Rome: Total War" to almost entirely different games. The most common ones (for the Roman era) are:

Rome: Total Realism (RTR)
But that one you already know.
"This is a mod that will make RTW more realistic."
The latest RTR release is RTR VII: The Iberian Conflict (TIC)

Europa Barbarorum (EB)
"This Trivium project is designed to be the definitive full conversion historical modification project for the global RTW community."
A mod that has much in common with RTR. The major difference is the scripting (wich makes it very slow) and the lay-out.
The EB team is also working on EB II, this mod is based on M2:TW, but it isn't finished yet

Roma Surrectum (RS)
"Roma Surrectum (meaning "Rome Arises") is a full conversion for RTW 1.5, featuring 35 legions."
In this mod it is fairly easy to make money and it uses the "0-turn recruitment" idea. This means you can train 9 units at the same time in every city. Due to this, there are a lot full-stack armies on the camp. map.

SPQR: Total War (SPQR)
"SPQR is a total modification for R:TW. The changes encompass all areas of gameplay with added focus on the Roman military machine and the system of recruitment and training of both pre-Marian units and Legions. Special care has been given to the battlefield experience which features the longest battle times of probably any existing mod making tactics an essential component of the game. Definitely not for people accustomed to blitzkrieg tactics both on the battle map and the campaign map."

Most mods also have a lot sub-mods like for RTR:
- Extended Realism Mod (ExRM) of Quinn Inuit;
- Ancient Empires Elysium (AEE);
- Imperator & Metro Naval

Good luck with it
PatricianS

Btw if this question is asked somewhere again, feel free to copy this post

[Tony83]

Pretty comprehensive info there matey.

[Pat89]

Actually it are just quotes from the "Rome: Total Wat hosted modifications" page, with some links added

[Tony83]

Actually it are just quotes from the "Rome: Total Wat hosted modifications" page, with some links added

Yeah, maybe! But you took the trouble to compile them for The Slav, matey.

[The Slav]

Thanks lol
makes me feel important

Once again thank you everyone. Ill post when i get it. Ill maybe even write up a AAR

[Tony83]

Thanks lol
makes me feel important

Once again thank you everyone. Ill post when i get it. Ill maybe even write up a AAR

Please do matey, I love to read a good action report, especially when it's done using my favourite mod.

[The Slav]

One more thing

Can someone tell me the main difference from M2TW to RTW.. I kinda forget i know that the slots are different and formations.

Thanks in advance

[horatius]

I've never played M2TW except for the demo, but the most obvious difference is the time period. RTW takes place during the B.C.s (280 BC to 1 AD I think), while M2TW takes place during the medieval ages (after the fall of the Roman empire).

If you're asking about differences in gameplay, then I have no idea.

[Pat89]

R:TW vs. M2:TW

- better graphics
- more than one model in each unit
- little less stupid AI (they still attack after a peace treaty)
- more faction slots (R:20 => M2:30?)
- both have a max of 200 provinces
- castles and cities
- merchants
- possebillity (eng?) to have landbridges using that green arrow, insteat of transforming the map

That's it, I think