I really do not want to have a religious debate but......

[Oberbefehlshaber]

They are always very entertaining, hehehe. Look at my sig, you know how i feel.

[Cliomhdubh]

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

Friedrich Nietzsche

[Oberbefehlshaber]

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

Friedrich Nietzsche

Well said.

[Thanatos]

Oh dear, another self-proclaimed communist, this will be fun.

[Farnan]

Why don't you tell me exactly what is wrong with communism, if you know so much.

Typical Western Communist -



Notice what they're wearing. All those clothes are sold and made by for-profit corporations. Thus in their communist rally they are supporting American bussiness.

Here's something else wrong with Communism:

http://www.amazon.com/GUEVARA-Classi...7609371&sr=1-1

You can buy it for only $15.00 and get all the cool shirt comments you want. Fight for Communsim while supporting the Buergosiue...

In truth communism is just really pitiful.

You'll look back at yourself and wonder why you ever thought this way when you get older.

Oh by the way Communism is out, the new "cool" teenage rebellion is Objectivism.

[Oberbefehlshaber]

Typical Western Communist -



Notice what they're wearing. All those clothes are sold and made by for-profit corporations. Thus in their communist rally they are supporting American bussiness.

Here's something else wrong with Communism:

http://www.amazon.com/GUEVARA-Classi...7609371&sr=1-1

You can buy it for only $15.00 and get all the cool shirt comments you want. Fight for Communsim while supporting the Buergosiue...

In truth communism is just really pitiful.

You'll look back at yourself and wonder why you ever thought this way when you get older.

Oh by the way Communism is out, the new "cool" teenage rebellion is Objectivism.

I know what you are saying and i agree and all these people are ing tools, the idea of communism is what is what im talking about maybe communism-socialism. You just dont like it because it is not convenient.

[LoZz]

Moved to ethos

[Lawrence of Arabia]

They are always very entertaining, hehehe. Look at my sig, you know how i feel.

Therefore we have what to discuss, exactly?

Okay, let me say inflammatory things to start things off.

Christians are child molesters and rapists.
Jews sacrifice non-Jewish babies and drink the blood during Pass Over.
Muslims take heads in the name of Allah, and kill every infidel they see.


Or...

Theists are stupid for believing in imaginary friends.

Or...

Atheists are lost, self-absorbed, better-than-thou miscreants..

[Thanatos]

I detect much hatred in this thread, master.

[Dunecat]

I detect much hatred in this thread, master.

Sense.

Jedi's and Sith use the term "sense", as they feel the force as a part of them, not outside their senses which they can perceive. It is a subtle but important difference.

...

STAR WARS NAZI STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Oh, and as the good book says, "..Let us compete with our Christian brother this day for our daily bread, so that the invisible hand of free daily bread markets might save our souls, and forgive us our transgressions..."

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Communism replaces the cults of yesterday and the Abrahamic Religions with the sole cult of Marxist dogma as a sacrossanct, unchangeable, untouchable and unquestionable doctrine.

[Blau&Gruen]

I have just been brought in a discussion in another thread on an argument of how you can prevent an ethical fundamentalism and still take a moral stand.

You can say, the moral subject (you) does just then equal with the subject of ethical commonsense (you and others) when the moral subject can translate its assumptions into ought-sentences of commonsense (ought-sentences which are also acceptable to others). If this is not possible the moral subject has to recognize the conflict, and a) either to abstain from formulating objective moral claims (ethical ought-sentences) or b) to sustain the conflict of moral assumptions and ethical requirements.

Opinions?

The week points are probably: "can translate assumptions", "recognize the conflict".

[Ummon]

I have just been brought in a discussion in another thread on an argument of how you can prevent an ethical fundamentalism and still take a moral stand.

You can say, the moral subject (you) does just then equal with the subject of ethical commonsense (you and others) when the moral subject can translate its assumptions into ought-sentences of commonsense (ought-sentences which are also acceptable to others). If this is not possible the moral subject has to recognize the conflict, and a) either to abstain from formulating objective moral claims (ethical ought-sentences) or b) to sustain the conflict of moral assumptions and ethical requirements.

Opinions?

The week points are probably: "can translate assumptions", "recognize the conflict".

Descend to the mothers. They are not of words, and they can't be translated if not circumstantially, some would say.

[Blau&Gruen]

not of words

sat-cit-ānanda
It is a walk by foot uphills.
But it is kind that you care.

[Ummon]

sat-cit-ānanda
It is a walk by foot uphills.
But it is kind that you care.

Uphill, downhill, it's about the same.

It's always nice to exchange mysterious tidbits, in any case!

[Aziel]

Communism replaces the cults of yesterday and the Abrahamic Religions with the sole cult of Marxist dogma as a sacrossanct, unchangeable, untouchable and unquestionable doctrine.

Communist personality cult were mostly worshiping to Lenin, Marx and Engels, while Lenin headed first and the Marxist couple came after him. At Communist China there was the strongest Communist personality cult in history as far as I know, but instaed of any Marx, Lenin or Engels, Mao Zedong was the person that was worshiped.

An intresting note is that where the larger and stronger the personality cult is, the most people die. For example: Cambodia, Pol Pot's era - 1.7 +- deaths; USSR, Stalin's era - 30 millions +- daeths; Communist China, Mao's era - 70 million +- deaths.

[Dunecat]

Here they (the bourgeoisie) go again!

No seriously there are some things Marx was right about, particularly his sociological observations of capitalist influence on the collective values and norms at the time that still remain prevalent to this day.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Yes, sometimes Marx did made a clever analysis on economy and capitalism, but the bulk of his theory as intended failed miserably as shown by the experiments conducted in the XX century.

[Aziel]

Yes, sometimes Marx did made a clever analysis on economy and capitalism, but the bulk of his theory as intended failed miserably as shown by the experiments conducted in the XX century.

Marx was a theoretical economist, he didn't based his theory on diagrams, models or calculations, but on words only.

[chriscase]

Yes, sometimes Marx did made a clever analysis on economy and capitalism, but the bulk of his theory as intended failed miserably as shown by the experiments conducted in the XX century.

One has to wonder at the validity of the experiments.

If Marx's central argument was that the characteristic economic traits of capitalism inevitably lead to an evolution of capitalism to a different system, it's hard to say any of the experiments you mention really apply to it.

Something like Lenin's State and Revolution attempts to justify State-imposed socialism as a valid experiment, but the fact that it requires a dedicated auxiliary work to do so only confirms that Marx's original work did not sanction such an experiment.