[RR] Missing unit types

[Vates Ignifer]

Am I blind, or are certain factions in Ruina Romae missing crucial unit types?

I am playing with the Franks, and while these have decent Heavy Infantry (Frankeska Heriskara and Heriban), they seem to have NO proper Skirmishers, which makes quite a slaughter out of every battle.

As far as I see, they only get Waldmannir, which are archers and don't have shields, and Bajowariaz, who don't have a proper formation and only get 3 throwing spears anyway.

Luckily I have a handful of Angonwerpara which I bribed away from some other faction (Saxons or Burgundii), but I can't retrain them or build new ones.

I really notice a _huge_ difference between fighting a battle with or without skirmishers. I have a lot fewer casualties when I have skirmishers at my disposition.

So what am I supposed to do?

[beatoangelico]

are you playing 7.03? Baiowarja and Angonwerpara are basically the same unit...

[Vates Ignifer]

Yes it's 7.03... The basic combat stats may be similar, but the Angonwerpara align nice and tidy in ranks and files AND can form shield walls, while the Bajowarja only flock together in huge circular lumps that can't be adjusted. Definitely not the same unit.

[beatoangelico]

maybe you are talking about Geoguth (saxon unit), that afaik is the only skirmisher unit that can form shieldwall, because stat-wise Baiowarja and Angonwerpara are exactly the same unit. Anyway, if you want to have your native franks skirmishers in square formation you have to open export_descr_unit.txt (located in \ibfd\data folder) and search "baiovari foot skirmishers", then replace "horde" (see below) with "square"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

type baiovari foot skirmishers
dictionary baiovari_skirmishers_foot ; need new desc maybe redo model
category infantry
class light
voice_type Heavy_1
soldier german_foot_skirmishers, 60, 0, 0.8
attributes sea_faring,hide_forest,can_swim,is_peasant
formation 1.2, 1.8, 2.4, 2.4, 6,horde
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 8, 2, javelin, 50, 3, thrown, archery, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr thrown
stat_sec 4, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0,8, 3, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental 11,low,untrained
stat_charge_dist 250
stat_fire_delay -50000
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 0, 80, 20, 20, 30, 80
ownership slave, alemanni, burgundii, franks

[Vates Ignifer]

I took some screenies so you see what I'm talking about.
On these screens, you see that the unit I'm talking about
- is named Angonwerpara
- is 200 strong
- counts as Spearmen (but does not get bonus against cavalry)
- can skirmish (button on battle screen)
- can form shield wall (button on battle screen and German text on unit screen)
- and forms ranks and files

[beatoangelico]

ah I see - they are the generic horde unit, I didn't remember that they have shield wall, it's kinda weird...(oh and they get a bonus against cav too, even if it's not shown)
you can't do much to have other units like those (or retrain them), horde units are given only at game start or when a faction lost his last settlement and "reborn" as a horde

[Vates Ignifer]

It's not really the "base horde unit" either, since that is called Horde Heriban or something, has Horde formation, no special abilities, no missile weapons, and something like 5 attack / 10 defense.

Oh well, I guess I will indeed edit the Bajowara skirmishers to form squares.

[Vates Ignifer]

Ah okay, now I get it. ^^
Yeah well, I took the liberty to edit the units file accordingly. The new Skirmishers should perform like the Iuwunga Frankaz in the RTR mod.
Thanks for the info. =)

[beatoangelico]

Ah okay, now I get it. ^^
Yeah well, I took the liberty to edit the units file accordingly. The new Skirmishers should perform like the Iuwunga Frankaz in the RTR mod.
Thanks for the info. =)

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