Rising nations, china or India

[ray243]

Ok, I know lots of american are afraid of china's rise, and tried to make them a second USSR.

But in comparision to india, which country will you prefer?

Both india and china's human rights records aren't clean. The caste system still exist in india for example(and unofficially, the untouchable caste STILL exisit) , and india 'democracy' is basically a paper democracy.

While china seems to have a chance to really start on the path of developed nations like Japan, south korea and etc.

The are a one party state, but as long as the rise of the middle-income family in china continues to rise, in the long term, china can become a democratic nation, a real democratic nation.


So what's your opinion in regards to the 2 rising nation, which country do you prefer?

And please don't use the excuse likes which country serve my nation's interest better.

We are trying to look at both country from a more neutral view.

[jankren]

I prefer China because they are not religious zealots.

[Freddie]

I prefer China because they are not religious zealots.

You consdier that to be the greater of two evils?

[removeduser_487563287433]

You'd never know you were Chinese, Ray.

In India the caste system is illegal, even if it does persist in some rural areas. I don't know what you mean by "paper democracy". Seems to be a phrase you have invented.

[celtic warrior]

You'd never know you were Chinese, Ray.

In India the caste system is illegal, even if it does persist in some rural areas. I don't know what you mean by "paper democracy". Seems to be a phrase you have invented.

Possibly he means the ideas of democracy being written down on paper, but not actually carried out at all?

I don't mind who the next rising state, possibly both of them.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Possibly he means the ideas of democracy being written down on paper, but not actually carried out at all?

I don't mind who the next rising state, possibly both of them.

Indian democracy is fair and practical and functioning. Remarkable for one of the most populous nations on Earth.

[Exarch]

Indian democracy is fair and practical and functioning. Remarkable for one of the most populous nations on Earth.

i was under the impression that corruption and nepotism were the norm in india; that like in african countries, you might need to pay some bribes to get things moving smoother...

[removeduser_487563287433]

i was under the impression that corruption and nepotism were the norm in india; that like in african countries, you might need to pay some bribes to get things moving smoother...

I'm sure there's examples but it's certainly not as bad as it is in many African countries.

[klops]

In India the caste system is illegal, even if it does persist in some rural areas.

It is illegal.

And very much alive still. Can one say caste system is alive? Well, you got the picture, right?

I think they both will be big players in the world politics soon enough.

[ray243]

You'd never know you were Chinese, Ray.

In India the caste system is illegal, even if it does persist in some rural areas. I don't know what you mean by "paper democracy". Seems to be a phrase you have invented.

I'm not from china...for crying out loud...

[removeduser_487563287433]

I'm not from china...for crying out loud...

No, what was it then? Russia? Somewhere with a less than free press I remember that much.

[ray243]

No, what was it then? Russia? Somewhere with a less than free press I remember that much.

You are really misguided are you? Singapore actually. And russia today don't really have that much censor despite what you think.

Just because I argue against some of the US policy means that I've come from a country like China or russia.

Well, ray, you look at the negatives of India and the positives of China, so a bias is clear. Whereas you could quite easily just look at the positives of India and the negatives of China. The caste system exists in India in rural areas, and is quite common, but it is not always disadvantageous. It is only atrocities like the untouchable caste being shunned that gives it a bad name. And I believe doing so is being dealt with in India as we speak.

Hardly, I am very well aware of the issue about china's human rights issue.

And the issue being dealt with? Sure, on paper. The central government in india is a weak one. Most laws that are issued by the central government are ignored by the rurual areas. As long as you belong to the untouchable caste, don't expect any police to help you because the central government pass laws that ensure that the untouchable caste can be protected.

As long as the rural areas don't care about central law making due to social problems it will not be solved easily. It takes the US civil war to resolve the issue on slavery and central government being able to pass laws that can be heeded by the regional government.


Another example, you do know about the actress Aishwarya Rai? A controversy sparked in india for her role in Dhoom 2, for a KISSING SCENE.

And it is not even a sex scene....

And because china has LESS social issue to dealt with, it is my opinion that china can become a real liberal and true democratic government in comparision to india.

I prefer India as I prefer a country with a more familiar British stylr government to a comunism. Also, Britain would be in a better position following India rather than China

For crying out loud, china can hardly be classified as a communist government. And by your logic, former british colonies in africa is BETTER than china because they used a more familiar British style government??

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Hardly, I am very well aware of the issue about china's human rights issue.

Isolated incidents of a broken down tradition... compared to cutting out fallopian tubes without use of anaesthetic. Hmm.

And the issue being dealt with? Sure, on paper. The central government in india is a weak one. Most laws that are issued by the central government are ignored by the rurual areas. As long as you belong to the untouchable caste, don't expect any police to help you because the central government pass laws that ensure that the untouchable caste can be protected.

Yes, it is a problem, and a problem that, with mass industrialisation and urbanisation, is slowly being dealt with.

As long as the rural areas don't care about central law making due to social problems it will not be solved easily. It takes the US civil war to resolve the issue on slavery and central government being able to pass laws that can be heeded by the regional government.

And the whole of, I dunno, Western China? Rural areas that are no longer linked with central government?

Another example, you do know about the actress Aishwarya Rai? A controversy sparked in india for her role in Dhoom 2, for a KISSING SCENE.

Ah, so the traditional humility of Indians is the problem? Well, as long as its people aren't being forced into prisons, I'm quite alright with it.

And it is not even a sex scene....

How we all wish it was.

And because china has LESS social issue to dealt with, it is my opinion that china can become a real liberal and true democratic government in comparision to india.

Yet it isn't, and its quite happy being a totalitarian state. Whichever way you look at it, India is trying to be a free democracy. For all its failings, that surpasses any Chinese governmental proceedings.

For crying out loud, china can hardly be classified as a communist government.

Tell me why.

[The Super Pope]

For crying out loud, china can hardly be classified as a communist government. And by your logic, former british colonies in africa is BETTER than china because they used a more familiar British style government??

Yes. A system of government which is proven to be exceptionally stable and promotes liberalism by it's very nature is most definitely preferable to an unaccountable dictatorship.

[removeduser_487563287433]

You are really misguided are you? Singapore actually. And russia today don't really have that much censor despite what you think.

Just because I argue against some of the US policy means that I've come from a country like China or russia.

No I must be thinking of some other new guy.

[jo the greek]

Both of them would be territorial powers,
but i do not think they would manage to affect politics too far from them
except if they manage to play the energy game well.
If they get i wannabe ruler of the world they have to many possible enemies.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

There have been incidents like in every LEDC that is becoming an MEDC. You talk like it didn't happen all over the world a few decades ago.

OP: The caste system and forced sterilisations can't be compared, one bit.

[Exarch]

i dont think the one child policy is policed very seriosuly; some of the young students i was working with in china had brothers and sisters..and they were generation xs and yers

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Well, I'd hate to beat an old horse, but in Tibet...

[wilting]

India can't even exert control over its own territory. There are a bunch of rebellions and guerilla wars going on in that country that we never hear about.