The Weakest Link

[Ruprecht]

This has been unknown to me for a while, but i think i have finally found why TW runs slow in comparison to my specs.


All this time i was blamming my graphics card for slow performance, but as i figured out my cpu is the bottleneck.

let me elaberate.

First this is what im running :

Asus - p5nd2-sli deluxe
Intel - 775 p4 3.4 ghz
Msi - 8800 gt - 512
Geil - ddr2 667 mhz - 2 gig
Hd - 2 terabytes
Psu - silverstone -zeus- 750 w

Ok this really should be able to play the game without much lag, or so i thought. when i have anymore than 3000 -4000 in a battle it starts lagging. but this is the most interesting thing.

When in a battle it doesen't matter where i point the camera, i still get the same Fps. even zoomed right down into the ground without any units currently in view. so my powers of logical deduction have brought me to this conclusion.

Even though my cpu is running 3.4 ghz, it's only a single core and an old design, so really what is happening is my cpu can't calculate all the movements of my army + the enemies, because reguardless of where the camera is positioned the cpu still needs to process all the movements of every unit amongst lots of other thing at the same time.

So you have to ask yourself, what is the weakest link really ?

[AlfonsoVIII]

Yeah, buy a more modern CPU, then you should be rocking. But I am having a hard time finding info on the board as it relates to what processors you can put on it. If you have the money, get a new board as well as the board can only handle everything before the Core 2 Duo. You can save some money and get a AMD processor and board. Where can you buy parts from?

[Ruprecht]

Yeah, buy a more modern CPU, then you should be rocking. But I am having a hard time finding info on the board as it relates to what processors you can put on it. If you have the money, get a new board as well as the board can only handle everything before the Core 2 Duo. You can save some money and get a AMD processor and board. Where can you buy parts from?

Hey,

Actually my board does support some core 2 cpu's, since i'm running a 1066 FSB, all that needs to be adressed is a simple Bios update.

But if i were to update my rig, it would have to be a core 2 quad cpu.

I live in australia so i get my products from http://pccasegear.com/

[AlfonsoVIII]

OK, then. If your sure about the core2duo, then go ahead and get one, but double check on the quad cpu.

[Ruprecht]

I'm back,

Reason ?, My intention for making this thread was not to ask people what they thought about my pc or suggest hardware upgrades.

I notice many of these threads posted about performance issues on the forum and my intention for creating this one was purely to give other people some more knowledge about what really could be the cause of slow performance.

The majority of people are under the impression that it is their graphics cards that are the fault, any in some cases this may be true, however my observations of my own performance in relation to hardware specifications did bring, what i thought was some valuable information for people that might be running similar hardware configurations.

Also i was kind of shocked from the lack of feedback i got from this thread, i realize that most people don't even visit here, and the ones that do are usually here for their own specific problems, which is perfectly understandable. i just wanted my intentions to be known, and any feedback reguarding my topic is most welcome.

Cheers.

[AlfonsoVIII]

Ok your original is "So you have to ask yourself, what is the weakest link really ?" Your processor is most likely the answer, why? because it needs more processing power for the extra soldiers. Now did you test your g-card by changing the video settings. What fps are you getting now at what setting, how does it improve? If you take out one memory stick, how does this affect performance? Your assumption that your processor is the problem, but you have yet to prove it. On paper, your processor is weak, but in reality, it could be your antivirus or other software. Tweak your system and see what is happening. Then post back.

[DarK_RTW]

You didn't even mention what GPU you have?

[Ruprecht]

You didn't even mention what GPU you have?

Actually i did, maybe next time try reading the full post before being so quick to post a negative reply.

This has been unknown to me for a while, but i think i have finally found why TW runs slow in comparison to my specs.


All this time i was blamming my graphics card for slow performance, but as i figured out my cpu is the bottleneck.

let me elaberate.

First this is what im running :

Asus - p5nd2-sli deluxe
Intel - 775 p4 3.4 ghz
Msi - 8800 gt - 512
Geil - ddr2 667 mhz - 2 gig
Hd - 2 terabytes
Psu - silverstone -zeus- 750 w

Ok this really should be able to play the game without much lag, or so i thought. when i have anymore than 3000 -4000 in a battle it starts lagging. but this is the most interesting thing.

When in a battle it doesen't matter where i point the camera, i still get the same Fps. even zoomed right down into the ground without any units currently in view. so my powers of logical deduction have brought me to this conclusion.

Even though my cpu is running 3.4 ghz, it's only a single core and an old design, so really what is happening is my cpu can't calculate all the movements of my army + the enemies, because reguardless of where the camera is positioned the cpu still needs to process all the movements of every unit amongst lots of other thing at the same time.

So you have to ask yourself, what is the weakest link really ?

Ok your original is "So you have to ask yourself, what is the weakest link really ?" Your processor is most likely the answer, why? because it needs more processing power for the extra soldiers. Now did you test your g-card by changing the video settings. What fps are you getting now at what setting, how does it improve? If you take out one memory stick, how does this affect performance? Your assumption that your processor is the problem, but you have yet to prove it. On paper, your processor is weak, but in reality, it could be your antivirus or other software. Tweak your system and see what is happening. Then post back.

This topic was created to stimulate a discussion on how TW uses hardware resources, as i have said [i think] this is what's happening, nowhere did i say that my test was 100 % accurate or applicable to everyone's circumstance.

I am not going to post a 10 page aticle with detailed statistics of benchmarks and tests. i was simply giving people the inclination that maybe it's not their graphics cards and to share any information/observations about thier own experiences.

For the record, I use benchmarks from all other games in comparison to my specifications, so based upon my systems peformance and overall peformance within my hardware configuration's class, i know there are no other governing factors, ie [ antivirus ] as i already have current benchmarks from my other games that meet the normal performance level for my setup.

What interests me is that you AlfonsoVIII, did not hesitate to reccomend a new cpu right from the start, and now you contradict yourself saying all my information is not proven and that i need to run numerous tests and benchmarks to backup my theory. this is a forum mate and i don't need to publish a 10 page article filled with detailed statistics to simply voice my opinions and experiences.

Maybe you have spent too much time in the dark reccesses of technical help, and this has made you obtuse, i think you should get out and see the rest of the forum sometime.

[AlfonsoVIII]

This topic was created to stimulate a discussion on how TW uses hardware resources

I have done research on how TW uses hardware and saying you need a new processor means its the weakest link in your system, which is what you wanted to know and I told you. If you want to say that I contradicted myself, then go ahead, it only proves that every PC is unique and to maximize performance you need to do more tests to prove than blaming your processor. And dont you dare say that you can achieve normal results with other games by comparing other peoples tests and guessing at what you should be. I am in the tech forum because its my profession and I am comfortable here and am pleased to help out people and some satisfaction. I have a life and I mod M2TW heavily, so I dont spend much time in this forum, its the only one I post in for the most part. And if you think your 8800GT is the bottleneck, which in the first post you thought it was, then you need to spend more time in this forum and learn about your computer components and how good they really are. And lay off Dark, a simple mistake because the format of your specs is weird.

[Ruprecht]

I have done research on how TW uses hardware and saying you need a new processor means its the weakest link in your system, which is what you wanted to know and I told you.

I don't want to sound rude, and i appreciate your efforts in trying to help, but it seems you have trouble interpreting posts in english, and if english is not your first spoken language that is fine and your doing an exellent job, however i must correct you as i did not want to know what the weakest link was. also in my initial post i had already ruled out my graphics card from being a possible cause, i merely stated that at one time i did think my graphics card was the problem before making this thread. and if you read it more carefully you would see i wasen't asking for any help at all, but rather sharing my experience on the forum.

''so you have to ask yourself '' is directed at other people, not myself.

If you want to say that I contradicted myself, then go ahead

Well your posts are there as plain as day, after reading them carefully you will see what you said was completely in dissagreement to your earlier post.

And dont you dare say that you can achieve normal results with other games by comparing other peoples tests and guessing at what you should be.

Actually i can, they are called benchmarks and can determine performance levels based on hardware specifications. and by meeting these benchmarks according to hardware configuration i can rule out any other governing factors.

then you need to spend more time in this forum and learn about your computer components and how good they really are. And lay off Dark, a simple mistake because the format of your specs is weird.

Well, what do you expect me to say, his only intentions were to post a negative remark, and i don't see how anyone could confuse [ Msi - 8800 gt-512] for anything else. it's defenetly not the name of a sandwich.

While i admire your efforts to help people, try not to rush through reading people's posts as you could miss the point all together, as is evident here.

[DarK_RTW]

Any P4 is far behind any Core2Duo and similar chip.

Comparing a mid range Core2Duo chip to a 3.6ghz Prescott

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_20...=874&chart=444
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_20...=874&chart=424

[Ruprecht]

Any P4 is far behind any Core2Duo and similar chip.

Comparing a mid range Core2Duo chip to a 3.6ghz Prescott

Correct.

I'm not sure why you are telling me that, but thanx i guess.

[AlfonsoVIII]

After all of that I can only come to the conclusion that you want people to discuss how the game hardware affects performance. The way you proposed your question suggested we respond to your system because you pointed out how bad your CPU was. You did not comment on the memory or GPU in a way that might lead to a discussion. Since this forum is full of people who need technical help from the game, this thread is really in the wrong place. It be best in the General Discussion.

''so you have to ask yourself '' is directed at other people, not myself.

Well duh, but it refers to your system not m2tw in general because all you talked about is your system. Is English your first language? Spell check your posts. I am done with this silly thread

[Ruprecht]

After all of that I can only come to the conclusion that you want people to discuss how the game hardware affects performance. The way you proposed your question suggested we respond to your system because you pointed out how bad your CPU was. You did not comment on the memory or GPU in a way that might lead to a discussion. Since this forum is full of people who need technical help from the game, this thread is really in the wrong place. It be best in the General Discussion.


Well duh, but it refers to your system not m2tw in general because all you talked about is your system. Is English your first language? Spell check your posts. I am done with this silly thread

Oh, the big man fires up, haha

It's okay you don't have to get all defensive about it, if you can't understand something, don't reply to it.

Also, getting your friends to come on here and support you with redundant information won't help.

I diden't mean to upset you and make you throw a hissy fit like you just did, i was only trying to help you understand how to read a post.

[DarK_RTW]

Tbh I didn't bother re-reading the above arguements, with any P4 with an 8800, the CPU is the weak link. It doesn't need to be argued.