The cavalry are overpowered?

[pajomife]

i use DLV 5.5 and islendil sub mod and I try some custom battles with french cavalry,and even with a armour spearmen 7 line deep formations,the chivalric knights penetrate those formation easily,I think is to exaggerated.
And the chevaliers seems bug,making fast moves.

[Werebear]

Use ivanhoex EDU

And in real life only pikemens can easy kill heavy cav. They was like tanks

BTW after cav charge one of your unit, you can kill them easely

[pajomife]

But they still running as they haven't any physical opponent in front.May I use the old desc_mount file?

[Werebear]

you can't change this - this is the new animation.

[Kennylz]

Can you explain what you mean about the Animation?

[eggthief]

cavalry scatters all over the place once they go into prolonged melee.

[pajomife]

Could we reduce a little this scatters all over the place?Any parameter in any file we can change?

[ivanhoex]

apparently the only way is to trace the animation file back to its creator and ask that to her/him XD

im just 2 lazy 2 do that


in respect of cavs, even in my mod i feel them are still too powerfull, specially those that are not meant to be so, probably going to edit them a little, but at least in my mod they have some counter messures available XDDDD

[pajomife]

And this "feature" is from DLV 5.5 or fromr the Minimid?
I try to play,but I hate,we lose the cavalry unit control immediately,they atack a unit and after that they fight against all AI army,if we use 2 or 3 same type cav unit we even don't known what each unit is.

[Son of Mao]

Calvary are overpowered but I think that is realistic and fun, but maybe they could use a slight cost bump

[Ryofu]

They may be overpowered, but it is realistic.

Medieval warfare was usually a case of who had the better heavy cavalry.

[shoshenq]

They may be overpowered, but it is realistic.

Medieval warfare was usually a case of who had the better heavy cavalry.

yeah like in neville's cross, crecy, agincourt, stirling...and the list could go on and on.



The real queen of battles was the spear, not the longbow nor the armored knights, many many battles were won thanks to the push-of-pike.

[Doge]

yeah like in neville's cross, crecy, agincourt, stirling...and the list could go on and on.



The real queen of battles was the spear, not the longbow nor the armored knights, many many battles were won thanks to the push-of-pike.

Problem with that is all those battles were in or after the 14th-century. Reality is, medieval warfare was fluid, dynamic, and evolving. Heavy cavalry, longbow, and pike all had their time when they were the most powerful weapon, before strategy and technology adapted. And it's hard to make a video game that captures that, but I think the most recent DLV does a fine job of this with the newly-empowered cav.

The effective or ineffective use of the mounted shock charge was the deciding factor in medieval battles, until the 14th Century. Then, yes, pikes introduced an alternative use for infantry besides defense. But "spears" were never universally the determinant of battles before then.

[shoshenq]

Problem with that is all those battles were in or after the 14th-century. Reality is, medieval warfare was fluid, dynamic, and evolving. Heavy cavalry, longbow, and pike all had their time when they were the most powerful weapon, before strategy and technology adapted. And it's hard to make a video game that captures that, but I think the most recent DLV does a fine job of this with the newly-empowered cav.

The effective or ineffective use of the mounted shock charge was the deciding factor in medieval battles, until the 14th Century. Then, yes, pikes introduced an alternative use for infantry besides defense. But "spears" were never universally the determinant of battles before then.

point taken, but could you name a single major battle where knights won the day ? Its not that I doubt it, its just that I really dont remember any.

[Alderuhen]

point taken, but could you name a single major battle where knights won the day ? Its not that I doubt it, its just that I really dont remember any.

Seriously , what are u smoking ?
Did u heard about french history once in your life??
Let's talk about the Empire of Charlemagne in the IXth century (too many wins against both saxons,danish,russians and moors like Barcelona in 801 only thanks to his strong and heavy cavalry . Mounted knights culture came from his grand father Charles Martel : also take a look at young knight called "Roland" story in VIIIth century)...
but did u heard about St Jacques de Compostelle (1170),Alcantara(1213),Mansourah (1250) victories against moors ?
Famous knights victory in Bouvines (1214) against both Flanders & HRE (about only 1200 noble mounted knights)...
Tell me you ain't know about famous french templar knights during first crusade in road to Jerusalem starting in 1095 , I won't believe u (too many victories on mounted knights, google is ur friend)??
Even in late medieval history , french knights were so famous for their power (Example : Lord Pierre Terrail de Bayard crushing victories against Milan in Fornoue,Vercelli,Brescia,Marignan...1494 to 1524)!
The truth is that too many real knights were famous (Enguerrand de Concy,Du Guéglain,Jean de Beaunoir,btw not enough room and time to write them all...)that gave birth to Old legends as King Arthur and the round table knights (Lancelot , Perceval ...)

[aion2006]

Only problem is, they REALLY scatter. It take a while to have them reform.

[surfersrule]

Only problem is, they REALLY scatter. It take a while to have them reform.

you mean when the cavs start going everywhere after a charge?
could be also realistic.... when cavaliers are engaged in melee, they try to escape and recharge from the outside, trying to avoid remaining stuck in the melee

but yes, in the game it's really annoying, they're out of control! can someone fix this? thanks in advance!

[ivanhoex]

cavs are not overpowered... there is a bug around that makes units charge in very strange ways with very strange results

(the scatter is a animation thing nothing related)


this results includes crossbow militia (incredibly low quality nonmelee troop) chargin with their knives of the lowest damage on a french bodyguard troop and kill 10 cavs in as much seconds


i ll hunt down this problem ¬¬

[ivanhoex]

"charge from the outside" sure..... after spread they cant ever run again, they just walk around hoping to cross their way on something to kill or that puts them out of their missery lol

[pajomife]

Those new animations are in DLV or in Islendil sub mod?
And in the 5.6 beta? There are in or out?