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    Interesting. I guess this could be taken as a sign that the Chinese are beginning to come around with regards to Iran and their clandestine nuclear weapons projects.

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    VIENNA, Austria - China, an opponent of harsh United Nations Security Council sanctions against Iran, has nonetheless provided the International Atomic Energy Agency recently with intelligence linked to Tehran's alleged attempts to make nuclear arms, diplomats have told The Associated Press.

    Beijing, along with Moscow, has acted as a brake within the council, consistently watering down a U.S.-led push to impose severe penalties on Tehran for its nuclear defiance since the first set of sanctions was passed in late 2006.

    A Chinese decision to provide information for use in the UN nuclear watchdog's attempts to probe Iran's purported nuclear weapons program would appear to reflect growing international unease about how honest the Islamic republic has been in denying it ever tried to make such arms.
    China's venture was revealed by two senior diplomats with good contacts to the International Atomic Energy Agency, with one commenting late last week and the other Wednesday. The IAEA declined comment.

    The diplomats said Beijing was the most surprising entry among a fairly substantial list of nations recently forwarding information to the agency that adds to previously provided intelligence, and which could be relevant in attempts to probe Iran for past or present nuclear weapons research.

    But they said several other countries not normally considered to be in the anti-Iran camp had also done so in recent weeks.

    The diplomats - who demanded anonymity because their information was confidential - declined to name individual nations. But they attributed a generally increased flow of information to concern sparked by a multimedia presentation to the 35 IAEA board members by the agency in February of intelligence previously forwarded by member states on Iran's alleged clandestine nuclear arms program.

    One of the diplomats said the agency was also on the lookout for misleading information it was given either inadvertently or in attempts to falsely implicate Iran.


    One example, he said was a document showing experiments with implosion technology that can be used to detonate a nuclear device. While the document appeared genuine, it was unclear whether it originated from Iran, said the diplomat.

    Suspected weapons-related work outlined in the February presentation and IAEA reports preceding it include:
    * Uranium conversion linked to high explosives testing and designs of a missile re-entry vehicle, all apparently interconnected through involvement of officials and institutions

    * Procurement of so-called dual use equipment and experiments that also could be used in both civilian and military nuclear programs, and
    * Iran's possession of a 15-page document outlining how to form uranium metal into the shape of a warhead.

    A U.S. intelligence estimate late last year said Tehran worked on nuclear weapons programs until 2003, while Israel and other nations say such work continued past that date.

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    Thanks China thanks for helping.

    This is definatley not good.
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    Well well well,

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    Israel should go ahead and handle this for us just as soon as the next Chuck Norris Facts esque internet phenomena begins so that nobody will notice.

    Why is China all of a sudden helping out? Did we marry our Princess to their faction Heir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennylz View Post
    Why is China all of a sudden helping out? Did we marry our Princess to their faction Heir?
    yes, Hu Jintao's son is having a threesome with the Bush twins now.
    Have a question about China? Get your answer here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    yes, Hu Jintao's son is having a threesome with the Bush twins now.
    Good taste then atleast with Barbara (dark haired one). It good to see china add to intel bin so to speak, the more voices in such things the better for the long run. Too often intel on these things is limited to western intelligence agencies which automatically some people assume has an agenda (not to say it doesnt some times) so different sources is always good to get a clearer picture.

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    Hell, We better atleast get military access and map information for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennylz View Post
    Hell, We better atleast get military access and map information for that.
    and both "princesses" have the trait of fertile...

    but Hu's son did get the annoying mother-in-law trait..damn..
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    Godsh.

    Time to sell F-22 to Israel...

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    China wants Iran's oil secured for China's demands while equally having good economic bonds to the west. It's a nice gesture but by no means substantial. They simply did something that doesn't hurt their interests but makes them look good in the eyes of the US. It obviously worked. Good bargain for them.

    One could actually assume that Iran's isolation is in the interest of China as it ensures weapons exports and sole dips on Iran oil contracts while an Iran not constrained by these limitation would be a more difficult trading partner, its demands for weapons would decline and China would need to combine with other countries for oil contracts and investments.

    Other than that this doesn't seem to change the current competing hypothesis that 1) Iran has stopped it's main weapon programs in 2003 but insists on nuclear research or 2) Iran continues to make a concerted effort to achieve nuclear weapon capability or 3a) Iran actually wants to build nuclear bombs 3b) Iran wants to use nuclear bombs .

    Problem is that the west still seems to have no clue what of the three it is and what we might accept nor how Iran could ever satisfactory prove that it fulfills Western demands without compromising what it considers national security aspects. As long as this deadlock continues they make formidable scarecrows for the easily impressed masses. Contrary to resolving the crisis both sides seem actually content with the situation as both can use foreign relation issues for domestic purposes. That has never been a good mix...
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    Yeah China supply some traitorous evidence thats Ok, brilliant, now all your human rights abuses, communism and dictatorship etc. is all forgiven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangalore
    China wants Iran's oil secured for China's demands while equally having good economic bonds to the west.
    On the contrary, if anything this move by the Chinese suggests a "decoupling" of their support of thew Iranians (not to mention the other "anonymous" countries that have done the same), and their "bandwagoning" to the Western stance with regards to Iran (the US, UK, French, German, etc. postures towards Iran).

    You're right about China wanting it's oil supply from the Middle East secure, and I have a strong feeling that some elements within the Chinese government have probably felt that an increasingly belligerent and destabilizing Iranian Regime (to say the least of one in possession of nukes) would be counterproductive to that.

    Iran only accounts for about 15% of China's imported oil anyway, and considering the most important deals the Chinese have with countries like Saudi Arabia, it becomes apparent why'd they wouldn't want Iran getting too provocative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    On the contrary, if anything this move by the Chinese suggests a "decoupling" of their support of thew Iranians (not to mention the other "anonymous" countries that have done the same), and their "bandwagoning" to the Western stance with regards to Iran (the US, UK, French, German, etc. postures towards Iran).
    Why? They give info that doesn't change anything. Wow, great input that jeopardizes their stance.

    As I said, they don't do anything and stay neutral. China won't change their stance in the UN council whatever they say elsewhere.

    You're right about China wanting it's oil supply from the Middle East secure, and I have a strong feeling that some elements within the Chinese government have probably felt that an increasingly belligerent and destabilizing Iranian Regime (to say the least of one in possession of nukes) would be counterproductive to that.
    Yeah, that's why Iran has observer status in the SCO and China and Russia signed military contracts to modernize Iranian SA systems (which are also used to defend nuclear facilities) as well as command communications. In what way do you consider the Iranian regime belligerent from a Chinese viewpoint?

    Iran only accounts for about 15% of China's imported oil anyway, and considering the most important deals the Chinese have with countries like Saudi Arabia, it becomes apparent why'd they wouldn't want Iran getting too provocative.
    However Iranian oil production could be increased and the oil industry needs heavy investments. There are billion dollar contracts and unclaimed oil fields for China in there. It has the potential to become their biggest supplier and China the greatest investor. => Big money.

    If China starts to act differently in the council then I agree with them having turnt on Iran. Currently I do not see how it would benefit them
    Last edited by Mangalore; April 11, 2008 at 06:59 AM.
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    I don;t care if they collaborate they are not very nice to put it as nicley as possible.

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    It's time to...

    Bombbombbomb, bombbombiran, bombbombbomb, bombbombiran.

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    yeah!

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    Iran;s still all goody goody victim in all of this tho right?

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    China undermines global security once again. *adds a tally mark*

    and yes it's time to bomb Iran. I'm very pro "lake Iran" as I call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Pontifex_ View Post
    China undermines global security once again. *adds a tally mark*

    and yes it's time to bomb Iran. I'm very pro "lake Iran" as I call it.
    if my memory is correct, did US also give Saddam the permission to build neuclear facility in the 80's?
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    China and India are going to be the next two big powers. They have huge populations, and America outsources all there work to India (example- ever tried calling for tech support??)

    its not surprising, china needs oil more than America does, and America is fighting a war.

    Also i think the world would be a better place without Iran






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