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    Default Possible Boycott of 2008 Olympics?

    I'm not sure if this topic has come up before, but since I did not see one I decided to make one. I apologize if someone has made this topic in the past.

    Anyways, many European countries are thinking about boycotting the 2008 Olympic games because of the recent crackdowns that China has made on demonstrators in Tibet.

    Article is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=4501952&page=1

    This is an older article as you can see, and as of now, it has escalated somewhat. In each city that the torch has passed through, demonstrators have been present, and I even believe now that several European countries have said that they will more than likely boycott the Olympics.

    Looking back, this reminds me a bit of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow with the U.S Boycott of the Olympics, and while some European countries said they would boycott the Olympics, many officially didn't, so why should the U.S. follow Europe in this situation?

    While I don't agree with everything China has done, I do believe that the Olympics are a place where differences should be put aside, and the world should come together as one to play sports, rather than all the other things humanity tends to do in their free time.

    Lastly, doing this would be a bit unfair to the Chinese who were forced to move because of the major renovations their government was making for the Games. Not only did they have to move out of their house, but now they're being told their houses were demolished for nothing?

    But this isn't really about what I think, I wanted hear from everyone. What are you comments, concerns, and opinions?

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    if this move hurts only the CHinese government, than i dont mind..


    but olympic is really something 1.3 billion Chinese wanted for many many years.

    taking this away from them is just too cruel...

    punishing the Communist government somewhere else, not here please.
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    As much as I am a modern sino phobe (I am however an ancient Sinophile) I say that refusing to take part in the games would be an extremley bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus_A View Post
    Looking back, this reminds me a bit of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow with the U.S Boycott of the Olympics, and while some European countries said they would boycott the Olympics, many officially didn't, so why should the U.S. follow Europe in this situation?
    I believe the case against China in 2008 to be greater than that of Moscow in 1980.

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus_A View Post
    While I don't agree with everything China has done, I do believe that the Olympics are a place where differences should be put aside, and the world should come together as one to play sports.
    Good point. I guess it was the very intent of the event from the get go.

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    beating the chinese in the Games is much better, let them win only bronze MWUHAHAHAHAHAHH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Roy Mustang View Post
    beating the chinese in the Games is much better, let them win only bronze MWUHAHAHAHAHAHH
    that's India lol...1 billion people win one Silver.

    at least China took home 2nd most Golds..
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    I'm boycotting them.
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    A really bad idea and it is against everything the Olympics stand for. And of course there is the athletes many of whom will not be able to participate in the next games.

    The boycott will not do any good at all. It will be extremly hypocritical to boycott the games but still buy cheap labour in China.

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    isolating China won't solve the problem..

    guess how did China improved its people's standard of living and its citizens' freedom (compare to 20 years ago)? opening up.

    Isolation only creates more backwardness and political darkness for the people...like North Korea.
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    I hope Europe will boycott the Olympics. Then that American swimmer can grand slam the water sports with his Dutch rival out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai! View Post
    I hope Europe will boycott the Olympics. Then that American swimmer can grand slam the water sports with his Dutch rival out of the way.


    there has been quite a few threads on boycotting the olympics, and the last 2 threads were started on the basis of trolling. this thread however seems more, civilized . ive heard of people who would boycott the olympic games by refusing to watch it, and if you choose not to watch it, then so be it. however many times in the past couple of months ive seen nothing but demonization and slandering of the chinese as a whole, not as a country, not because its communist and this i belive will influence many people into boycotting the olympics for the wrong reasons. china as a country isnt perfect by any means, and shes no angel, but because of the differences of sides, races, culture and the potential of her threat there is a general bias in the western media which will always make the chinese look bad. what ive got to say is that, dont belive what you're being told by the media or your friends, insted go out there and find sources from china and her allies such as bangladesh and compare it to the information western media is presenting and it will show a clearer picture of what is really happening.

    on a side note, a rights activist has just been jailed in china ahead of the olympics. amongst all other things such as ban on smoking in certain areas and the restriction of the uses of fossil fuel in the city.

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    I'd rather not let China play the victim. Besides, I always get hyped for the Olympics every time they come around. Fun stuff.

    I just hope America doesn't suck. I don't know if we are fielding athletes of compareable quality as we used to. Not to mention all the juicing that has to be going on these days, internationally.

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    We shouldn't boycott it through preventing athletes to participate, but any right minded politician should avoid the political pomp and angling that goes on there.
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    The Western politicians and representatives should boycott it I think, but don't punish the athletes.

    The Olympics were given, partly in hope that it would open up China. But now we have this:

    China's human rights record is getting worse, not better, because of the Beijing Olympics, a rights group says.

    According to Amnesty International, China is clamping down on dissent in a bid to portray a stable and harmonious image ahead of the Games in August.

    It urged the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and world leaders to speak out against abuses, including China's handling of protests in Tibet.

    US President George W Bush is facing calls to boycott the Games' opening.

    "It would be clearly inappropriate for you to attend the Olympic Games in China, given the increasingly repressive nature of that country's government," a group of 15 US politicians wrote in a letter to Mr Bush on Tuesday.

    Mr Bush has said he plans to attend the ceremony but Germany's Angela Merkel says she will not. French President Nicolas Sarkozy has not ruled out a boycott.

    An IOC team is currently in Beijing to assess its readiness for the Games.

    'Beyond reach'

    In a report entitled China: The Olympics Countdown, the London-based group said the Olympics had failed to act as a catalyst for reform in China.


    It is increasingly clear that much of the current wave of repression is occurring not in spite of the Olympics but actually because of the Olympics
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    "Unless the Chinese authorities take steps to redress the situation urgently, a positive human rights legacy for the Beijing Olympics looks increasingly beyond reach," it said.

    "It is increasingly clear that much of the current wave of repression is occurring not in spite of the Olympics but actually because of the Olympics."

    Activists and dissidents had been targeted as part of an apparent pre-Olympics clean-up, it said, with many under some form of detention.

    Journalists, both domestic and foreign, were still prevented from reporting freely.

    The group also called on world leaders to speak out on the situation in Tibet, calling a failure to address the issue "tacit endorsement" of human rights abuses.

    It accused Chinese troops of using lethal force on Tibetan protesters and urged China to release information about those who had been detained, saying it feared for their safety.

    'Prejudice'

    On Tuesday, ahead of the publication of the report, China hit out at Amnesty and said any attempt to pressure Beijing over the Olympics would fail.

    "The organisation holds prejudice against China, so you can imagine what kind of report it will release," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

    Public Security Ministry spokesman Wu Heping also said that Tibetan "independence forces" were planning to launch suicide attacks as part of a wider uprising - a move he blamed on the Dalai Lama.

    China says 18 civilians and two police officers died in the unrest in Tibetan and neighbouring provinces inhabited by Tibetans that began on 10 March.

    Tibetan groups outside China put the death toll at up to 140, a figure that includes Tibetans they say were killed by Chinese security forces.

    All claims about the unrest are difficult to verify because the Chinese government has mostly barred foreign journalists from these sensitive areas.
    So let the athletes and journalists go.

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    So is there a policy in which foreign news media to avoid or silence the redneck Chinese (which is a majority)?

    A few things to consider:
    1. Is the Olympics supposed to be a catalyst for political change?
    2. Does China need political change?
    3. Is China isolating herself or is the west isolating China?

    Isolation only creates more backwardness and political darkness for the people
    Depends. I would think that the Chinese R&D capacity is going up the scale and the only political darkness we have is overshadowed by the people's strong skepticism of everything "official". Given that the people now are even wary of Western news media I'd say that the advancement is pretty big this time.

    There was a time when western media was treated like God's word in China. I am happy to see that myth smashed to pieces.
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    Just boycott the opening ceremony imo if going to do anything, staying away from the entire Olympics is an a solution. Doing an opening ceremony boycott embarrasses the Chinese government without taking away the Olympics themselves to competitors and fans in every country (including china).

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    embarrasses the Chinese government
    They can be embarrassed?
    Now that's a big news.

    Doing an opening ceremony boycott embarrasses the Chinese government without taking away the Olympics themselves to competitors and fans in every country
    You know how lame this sounds?
    It's basically hating the US for invading Iraq but wanting everything beneficial from that Iraqi invasion. Tastes like Europe, in fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sephodwyrm View Post
    It's basically hating the US for invading Iraq but wanting everything beneficial from that Iraqi invasion. Tastes like Europe, in fact.
    Well er that already happens Its not lame its a show of protest without disappointing people who have trained their asses off, the people who are looking to host it (aka the chinese people) and the people who want to see it. Besides I said if have to do anything then boycotting the opening ceremony is the move to make not the entire olympics.

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    boycotting the opening ceremony is the move to make not the entire olympics.
    Boycotting the opening ceremony but attending the games is complete lameness.

    West: We would like to make a statement by boycotting the opening.
    X: Oh, so you're not attending the Olympics?
    West: Of course we are.
    X: But aren't you aware that it is the opening ceremony in which countries march together with flags and banners in cultural dressing the most important part of the Olympics?
    West: I don't care.
    X: Then you're in just for nationalism and medals. Seriously...this is bankruptcy.

    Of course, given that countries that has more to do with Tibet (namely her neighbors) did not pursue such agenda, I wonder why the West has to be addicted to some form of "higher ground".
    You might as well complain to the organization in charge of this to ban China from the Olympics. It brings your point across in a better fashion.
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    You are being absurd and arguing for no real good reason. I simply said if the west wishes to stage some protest the best place to do it is the opening ceremony nothing more nothing less. Personally I prefer not to see anything political involved in the Olympics but then again I had prefered not to see the olympics in China either..be that as it may if a political statement has to be made or west feels one is to be made the best place is the opening ceremony. It is the least disruptive and I could care less about a feel good do nothing march celebrating everyones culture least of all in a country that cracks down on anything it sees as culturally/political dangerous.

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