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    Default USA 2008: The Great Depression

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...on-803095.html

    We knew things were bad on Wall Street, but on Main Street it may be worse. Startling official statistics show that as a new economic recession stalks the United States, a record number of Americans will shortly be depending on food stamps just to feed themselves and their families.



    Dismal projections by the Congressional Budget Office in Washington suggest that in the fiscal year starting in October, 28 million people in the US will be using government food stamps to buy essential groceries, the highest level since the food assistance programme was introduced in the 1960s.
    The increase – from 26.5 million in 2007 – is due partly to recent efforts to increase public awareness of the programme and also a switch from paper coupons to electronic debit cards. But above all it is the pressures being exerted on ordinary Americans by an economy that is suddenly beset by troubles. Housing foreclosures, accelerating jobs losses and fast-rising prices all add to the squeeze.
    Emblematic of the downturn until now has been the parades of houses seized in foreclosure all across the country, and myriad families separated from their homes. But now the crisis is starting to hit the country in its gut. Getting food on the table is a challenge many Americans are finding harder to meet. As a barometer of the country's economic health, food stamp usage may not be perfect, but can certainly tell a story.
    Michigan has been in its own mini-recession for years as its collapsing industrial base, particularly in the car industry, has cast more and more out of work. Now, one in eight residents of the state is on food stamps, double the level in 2000. "We have seen a dramatic increase in recent years, but we have also seen it climbing more in recent months," Maureen Sorbet, a spokeswoman for Michigan's programme, said. "It's been increasing steadily. Without the programme, some families and kids would be going without."
    But the trend is not restricted to the rust-belt regions. Forty states are reporting increases in applications for the stamps, actually electronic cards that are filled automatically once a month by the government and are swiped by shoppers at the till, in the 12 months from December 2006. At least six states, including Florida, Arizona and Maryland, have had a 10 per cent increase in the past year.
    In Rhode Island, the segment of the population on food stamps has risen by 18 per cent in two years. The food programme started 40 years ago when hunger was still a daily fact of life for many Americans. The recent switch from paper coupons to the plastic card system has helped remove some of the stigma associated with the food stamp programme. The card can be swiped as easily as a bank debit card. To qualify for the cards, Americans do not have to be exactly on the breadline. The programme is available to people whose earnings are just above the official poverty line. For Hubert Liepnieks, the card is a lifeline he could never afford to lose. Just out of prison, he sleeps in overnight shelters in Manhattan and uses the card at a Morgan Williams supermarket on East 23rd Street. Yesterday, he and his fiancée, Christine Schultz, who is in a wheelchair, shared one banana and a cup of coffee bought with the 82 cents left on it.
    "They should be refilling it in the next three or four days," Liepnieks says. At times, he admits, he and friends bargain with owners of the smaller grocery shops to trade the value of their cards for cash, although it is illegal. "It can be done. I get $7 back on $10."
    Richard Enright, the manager at this Morgan Williams, says the numbers of customers on food stamps has been steady but he expects that to rise soon. "In this location, it's still mostly old people and people who have retired from city jobs on stamps," he says. Food stamp money was designed to supplement what people could buy rather than covering all the costs of a family's groceries. But the problem now, Mr Enright says, is that soaring prices are squeezing the value of the benefits.
    "Last St Patrick's Day, we were selling Irish soda bread for $1.99. This year it was $2.99. Prices are just spiralling up, because of the cost of gas trucking the food into the city and because of commodity prices. People complain, but I tell them it's not my fault everything is more expensive."
    The US Department of Agriculture says the cost of feeding a low-income family of four has risen 6 per cent in 12 months. "The amount of food stamps per household hasn't gone up with the food costs," says Dayna Ballantyne, who runs a food bank in Des Moines, Iowa. "Our clients are finding they aren't able to purchase food like they used to."
    And the next monthly job numbers, to be released this Friday, are likely to show 50,000 more jobs were lost nationwide in March, and the unemployment rate is up to perhaps 5 per cent.
    This depression can only get worse for the USA, as we are already in debt...the question is though, when? In two or three years, it might be significantly worse than this.
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    So we are bypassing the officially we are in recession thing and jumping right into depression according to this UK paper? Oh well guess time for an influx of leaps from buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    So we are bypassing the officially we are in recession thing and jumping right into depression according to this UK paper? Oh well guess time for an influx of leaps from buildings.
    an independant too.

    Quote Originally Posted by lord o kelly View Post
    We are going into a Great Depression now?!!?!
    read the article; it says by the end of the year

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    I doubt we'd seen another Great Depression, after the last one, we put a lot of regulations so we would not have anything that bad again.

    Besides, the market is unpredictable, anything could happen.

    "Gafflwn Dihenydd O’r fuddugol yn wiriol sydd, Ni fydd neb yn ein drechu, Falch ydy ni I drochu, Traed o flaen I’r Annwn, mewn y gwybodaeth fe godwn ni."

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    I really think people are blowing this out of proportion...


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    New Deal v. 2.0 anyone?
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Default Re: USA 2008: The Great Depression

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    New Deal v. 2.0 anyone?
    Likely, if this depression escalates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donatus View Post
    Likely, if this depression escalates.
    Yes, then followed by a Neo-Nazi explosion in Europe and a modern Turbojet equivalent of the B-17 Flying Fortress, a.k.a, "the B17 is a tremendous achievement, the Government really proved half a billion dollars can fly"

    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donatus View Post
    Likely, if this depression escalates.
    There is no depression...a sensationalist headline from a UK paper != the US is in some great depression. I swear the leap to evoke the worst possible historic events at the first sign of economic trouble/downturn is amusing.
    Last edited by danzig; April 01, 2008 at 11:52 PM.

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    You can safely ignore the Independent, despite the name they are far from and Independent news organisation. It’s also a minority paper, even amongst broadsheets its circulation is poor, and as other posters have said it’s just sensationalist headline grabbing to try and sell a few more papers.

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    The only thing I fear is Roma Surectum 2.0 and Stainless Steel 6.0 not comming out...

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    Yay, another doomsday theory from another crap UK paper. The only one I ever really pay half a mind to is the Times, and I don't even read that, I read the Express. Just because it comes out of an apparently smart country like England doesn't mean that it's true. Pay no mind.

    Anyway, another nice Depression would do wonders. I can finally start wearing my dirty brown greatcoat and travelling the land, doing deeds of derring-do and the like for the poor. A modern day Robin Hood.


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    Hmm, I just heard about this but it turns out the picture that the newspaper published actually had NOTHING to do with the economy.

    It turns out this was a picture of people in line for free coats in 2005.

    Hmmm, this definitely is gonna further trust in the media...

    "Gafflwn Dihenydd O’r fuddugol yn wiriol sydd, Ni fydd neb yn ein drechu, Falch ydy ni I drochu, Traed o flaen I’r Annwn, mewn y gwybodaeth fe godwn ni."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus_A View Post
    Hmm, I just heard about this but it turns out the picture that the newspaper published actually had NOTHING to do with the economy.

    It turns out this was a picture of people in line for free coats in 2005.

    Hmmm, this definitely is gonna further trust in the media...
    Haha really? Got a link for that? Not that I dont believe it because I do knowing the media just want to see it Though I admit I do dig the 'disadvantage' black guy with the mp3 player waiting for aid...

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    I'm afraid I can't find an online story for it, I just saw it on the tv news. Obviously there is an article for it, it's just impossible to find since it's not very important story.

    So until I or someone else can find an online article on it, I suppose you can disregard what I said, although I do think it's pretty obvious that this picture is bogus.

    "Gafflwn Dihenydd O’r fuddugol yn wiriol sydd, Ni fydd neb yn ein drechu, Falch ydy ni I drochu, Traed o flaen I’r Annwn, mewn y gwybodaeth fe godwn ni."

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    I have been hearing about this for close to 6 months now. At least 10-15 times already. The great depression begins in November, then December, then it moved to January, now we are in April.
    I'm still working, still making money, people still driving cars and buying groceries in the stores.

    Let me know when it starts, make sure I know about it.

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    We are going into a Great Depression now?!!?!


    I thought in this morning's post it said something about the stock market going up, and the traders saying the worst was over, man, Im going to have to take the brits word on it though, thanks for the info man
    "I may not be there yet, but I'm closer than I was yesterday"

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    Sorry double post.
    Last edited by lord o kelly; April 02, 2008 at 06:18 PM.
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    Bottom line if one has to read a paper to learn we are in a great depression then you can be sure we arent

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    I think the newspaper is in depression and wants to sell more....

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