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    I've been wondering about the types of gamers that play RTW and/or its mods, and would be keen to hear your thoughts about it.

    First, I see two main categories (which I also know from other strategy games): the "performance" gamer and the "enjoyment" gamer.

    The Performance Gamer plays to beat the beat the game. He (I guess 99% of strategy gamers are male) doesn't really care about the background, it's totally irrelevant to him if the game is about Rome or WW2 or tentacled aliens, as long as it puts him up to a challenge. This type usually cares nothing of the actual gist of the setting - this is the type that plays Rohan in Battle for Middle Earth without ever building a single horse because Peasant Spam is cheaper.

    There are several subtypes to this category:
    * Powergamer: picks out the strongest faction, and learns all the knacks about it, but pretty much ignores the other factions.
    * Challenge gamer: wants to beat the game with every single faction, usually proceeding from strongest to weakest. Or sometimes just with the weakest one(s).
    * Rush gamer (often a Powegamer also): tries to complete the game as quickly as possible, i.e. in the fewest turns or hours. When he's done, he starts over and sees if he can do it faster (or switches to a new game).
    * Final Victory gamer: wants to conquer the entire map. When he's done, he picks a new faction and starts over.

    The Enjoyment gamer, however, shows some or all of the following traits:
    * chooses the game by the setting in the first place. If he's not interested in the background, he won't play it.
    * wants to enjoy well-made graphics. If his computer can't handle high detail settings, he may decide not to play the game with it.
    * picks a faction that he is particularly fond of, even if it's only mediocre. On the same note, he wouldn't play the single most powerful faction if he doesn't like the look and feel of it.
    * has a very slow playing style, taking much longer for a single turn or move than other gamers, and dragging out the game altogether. Likewise, he doesn't take the fastest route to victory, but the one that will keep him playing as long as possible.
    * plays for Final Victory, but usually only once, or may replay with certain factions that he likes for some reason.

    For RTW specifically, there is another subtype, the "Historician". This type doesn't play Vanilla, but installs one or more Realism mods. Usually this type is an Enjoyment gamer, sometimes cross-bred with Challenge and Final Victory gamer.

    I also suspect that Faction preference follows certain patterns as well. Not for the Challenge gamer type (who will play most factions consecutively), but rather for the type of Enjoyment gamer that will play the game only once or twice with his favourite factions.

    * European gamers often pick the faction that represents his own ancestors, or the ethnic group that he identifies with. Since a large part of Europe used to be Roman occupied, this is the chance to turn the tables and crush Rome with their own people. Of course, most players at least try out the Roman faction as well.
    * North American gamers rarely have this kind of bias, but are more regularly fascinated by the might and glory of the Roman empire. Which is not very surprising, since there are certain parallels between Rome and the USA. Rome is, so to speak, the US of the Classical Period.

    So much for my observations. Do you recognize yourself in this pattern, or do you think I'm grossly off track? What observations did you make?

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    good call man +rep from me. i'm the enjoyment gamer. i got rome because i like history esp Classical and World War 2. usally play as Rome to recreate an Empire but plays as others as well, even a poor ones just to get the feel. also i sorta a historian.

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    It's hard to say which category I would fall under then because:
    - I play R:TW (vanilla) exclusively online.
    - I always use the Macedonians (a mediocre faction to the extreme) due to my intense historical interest in them (especially Alexander the Great). If I wanted to play a power game, I would stick with Rome or the chariot-factions.
    - Despite the obvious enjoyment of playing Macedon, I don't have a slow playing style in the least. In most cases, all of my MP battles last less than 10 minutes (unless my opponent decides to use a cheese faction like Egypt, Pontus or the Britons).
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    Nice guide! Really gives a great incite into the types of gamers. For me, I'm much more of a 75% Enjoyment, 25% performance. I chose RTW because of my fascination with Rome, and I only like the unit scale set on large or huge.

    Then again, i also like playing the weakest possible faction and give myself the biggest challenge. I am yet to play MP games, as I will need to buy the original RTW rather than the gold, which seems to have no cd-key.
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    There is a certain type of Online gamer too, essentially a Performance gamer to the purest:
    * either focusses on one faction, OR knows all factions by heart if the game mode assigns player factions randomly
    * plays strictly for effectiveness, for instance the aforementioned "Rohan Peasant Spam" instead of the more atmospheric cavalry
    * may turn graphics way down to increase game performance (this is especially true for egoshooters, but maybe also for strategy)
    * in RTS, these are the guys that talk about "build order" and "actions per second". They are truly the masters of sucking the fun out of everything.

    It's good to see that not all MP gamers are like that. ^^ But you'll all have met this type. They are the reason why I don't play strategy games online anymore.

    @Prince of Macedon: I (as Enjoyment/Historician gamer) have never played the Vanilla RTW, so I don't know how the factions behave there. Maybe you should give Rome: Total Realism a shot. At least in the Platinum edition, Macedonia is easily the most powerful faction (because they have cheap Phalanges).
    I played RTR with the Germans, and had my hands full defending against the "Black Plague" sending stack after stack in my direction. Luckily, in RTR, the German units alone are perfect Macedon-killers. >:]

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    Yeah i hated the Black Plague or the Gray Monster if he is still around. But it made the game better by giving a superpower besides Rome, so it was more fun that way. all so Online performace players ruin any good RTS, having an entire army of peasants come on.

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    I'm a power gamer, but not 100%. I still enjoy the graphics and all that. I just play agressive.

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    I'm the challenge/enjoyment gamer, I pride myself in having beaten every game that I ever got, except one, after I beat the game I just play for enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannibalbarc View Post
    I'm the challenge/enjoyment gamer, I pride myself in having beaten every game that I ever got, except one, after I beat the game I just play for enjoyment.
    Which one haven't you beat?

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    Blazing Angels 2, I'm not very good a flight simulator games, and this one was harder then most, for me anyways.
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    Well I fit enjoyment gamer 100%. As for the Historian, I am a huge history buff (not that good...) but only play vanilla... How does RTR make the game more realistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Denmark View Post
    Well I fit enjoyment gamer 100%. As for the Historian, I am a huge history buff (not that good...) but only play vanilla... How does RTR make the game more realistic?
    Most obviously, RTR (and the other Realism mods) removes the "fantasy units" from the game, so no more ninjas, clerics or gladiators. Instead these mods try to model the units as realistically as possibly.
    Same goes for the factions, in RTW-based mods there is only one Roman faction and not different "families". (In later settings you get different Roman factions as they were historically)
    Then there's also a more distinct Zone of Recruitment mechanism; for example in RTR you have to build and upgrade "Auxilia" buildings to gain access to the better troop types, which also depend on the region as such.

    I haven't played the EB mod but from what I read about it, it seems that this mod is even more realistic, and demands a very slow and thorough playing style. RTR can be played quite fluidly, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vates Ignifer View Post
    I haven't played the EB mod but from what I read about it, it seems that this mod is even more realistic, and demands a very slow and thorough playing style. RTR can be played quite fluidly, anyway.
    Yeah in EB you have to construct government and can only recuit and build certain things according to the government in place. I found it tediously slow so i guess i am more of a preformance gamer although i do love Roman history.

    Especially when it comes to online as i normally choose the best faction for the job (if i can). Although i do have a tendency to take weaker factions for fun when the game isn't of a serious matter . But then again if you play online and just focus on fun factions that you love 1.) you don't master the online game as well compared with using many factions and 2.) you lose alot more by not taking good "counter" factions.

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    i would say im the challenge gamer
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    there is another gamer type but less defined in RTW, the Turtler, he prefers to sit back and build up massive armies and then move in and crush everything at once, but he might take 200 years to build up the troops

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    iam a enjoyment player with a high tendancy to concor the world
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    Definitely the enjoyment gamer here. I've tried many mods to see which is most to my taste and found RS as the best with it's many legions plus more units that were historically accurate and also more cities. I'm not really that much of a slow player, but I do tend to do a lot of work in each turn. I almost always play to final victory, though it usually takes ages, but is very fun.

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    I am more of a crossbreed between an enjoyment and historian. Although, I do not particularly enjoy the RTR (or Imperator). They are boring after a while, and winning is tedious (Conquer Italy and some islands and that's it you win the campaign). But for example, if I play with romans I go for enjoyment and historical accuracy (carthage first, never full conquest of germany - only expeditions of cleansing).

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    I don't squarely fit the presented categories. Strategy is the main thing. I like the map campaign, evolved from chess, Risk, Stratego, and other military board games over the past few decades. RTW is the best yet. But of course the supreme graphics are really important, including the fantastic music in RTW. I've tried different mods, but keep returning to vanilla as my favorite all-round choice. I came to RTW after researching games to provide my two favorite features: the map and the real-time combat. As for game speed, I used to go as fast as possible, until I discovered the AI needed some time to catch up, so now I pace myself a bit to increase the challenge. Getting the right challenge seems to be most important in any game, from crossword puzzles on - where you have to work at it, but winning is not impossible.

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    I'd say I'm an enjoyment/challenge gamer. I play every faction, but try to really enjoy it.
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