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    The North American Union (abbreviated NAU) is a theoretical continental union of Canada, Mexico and the United States similar in structure to the European Union, sometimes including a common currency called the Amero. Officials from all three nations have said there are no government plans to create such a union,[1] although the idea has been discussed and proposed in academic and scholarly circles, either as a union or as a North American Community (see Independent Task Force on North America).
    The formation of a North American Union has been the subject of various conspiracy theories.
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    The Trans-Texas Corridor was first proposed by Texas Governor Rick Perry in 2002. It consists of a 1,200 foot (366 m) wide highway that also carries utilities such as electricity, petroleum and water as well as railway track and fiber-optic cables.[4] In July 2007, U.S. Representative and candidate for the Republican nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election Duncan Hunter successfully offered an amendment to House Resolution 3074, the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations Act, prohibiting the use of federal funds for Department of Transportation participation in the activities of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). Hunter stated that: "Unfortunately, very little is known about the NAFTA Super Highway. This amendment will provide Congress the opportunity to exercise oversight of the highway, which remains a subject of question and uncertainty, and ensure that our safety and security will not be compromised in order to promote the business interests of our neighbors."[20] Fellow Republican Congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul brought the issue to mainstream prominence during the December 2007 CNN-YouTube GOP debate, where he also called it "the NAFTA Superhighway" and, like Hunter, framed it within "the ultimate goal" of creating a North American Union.[4]
    The Government of Alberta, Canada displays a diagram on their website that labels I-29 and I-35 as the "NAFTA Superhighway".[21]

    What's your impression of this "North American Union" that may be upcoming? (unlikely anytime soon, but it's still being discussed) I for one do not like it. If this forms, it may undermine some, or even many of the freedoms we currently enjoy. At first glance, it seems good, and effective for trade, but my concern is mainly that we may experience a different sort of government in the near future. Probably a form of socialism. Another thing I don't like is the movement towards a one world government. We already have witnessed the rise of a European Union, just wait, and perhaps we'll see a sort of Asian Union, or African Union too, although the later is unlikely, due to the massive amount of wars on the continent. Eventually, all of these "Unions" may merge into one government.


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    Of the little I have gleamed of this "theoretical continental union" it seems to be principally a conspiracy theory.

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    a common trade zone and currency zone is probably a better idea for Canada and US...definitely not Mexico..

    Mexico's economic development is too far behind. The result will be no better than NAFTA...when Mexico dropped all the tariff on agricultural goods and other products, trade deficit sky-rocketed (because it's own industry too backward to compete wtih US or Canadian companies), and economy went into recession in the 90s.
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    My impression?

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    stop robbing european ideas eventually we'll have the eu, the AU (african union) austalasian union, asian union and the ussr (again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliomhdubh View Post
    stop robbing european ideas eventually we'll have the eu, the AU (african union) austalasian union, asian union and the ussr (again)
    African Union ftw, even though its useless.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliomhdubh View Post
    stop robbing european ideas eventually we'll have the eu, the AU (african union) austalasian union, asian union and the ussr (again)
    National Unions were around a long time before the modern era (although in a more primitive form), so you really can't pinpoint that it started in the U.K.

    Just as well, I don't think this would be a very smart idea until Mexico began to catch up economically with the U.S. and Canada. If they were to go into it when the Mexican economy is still lacking, then that could create some serious problems for all the 3 countries.

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    Wasn't there a thread on this a few weeks ago, a month ago perhaps. Imo, the people of the U.S. and Canada are too far apart politically to form any kind of union at this time. If the U.S. keeps creeping slowly to the left, come back in another 20 to 30 years. As far as Mexico goes, to suddenly try to incorporate millions of people who have unfortunately been under educated and under serviced by their government would be too daunting of a task. Mexico on a whole is currently engrossed in a quagmire of corruption and poverty and would be too much to bear even for the U.S. economy even sans Iraq/Afghanistan. You will likely see continued expansion of various economic treaties that already exist (i.e. Nafta) but as far as political unions go, unlikely.
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    I'm all for it.
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    I think we should have a moon union
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    isnt this really just talk about a highway to increase trade that has sparked all this?

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    Stupid Idea. However got nothing to fear from it only a few Americans want it.
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    I don't think it is happening, and I don't think it will happen [in any form] for decades, if ever. However, I am not adverse to it. Canadians are extremely similar to Americans, and I must confess I pay more attention to events in America, and think of myself more as an American than a Canadian. I know I'm not alone in that. I am fine with bringing Canada closer to America.

    *To be honest, I would not be against forming an actual nation with America- under of course, certain conditions. Safety blocks to ensure we are not manipulated, and made insignificant politically. I'd prefer that, if we were to join, Canada remained as one large state to ensure significance in politics- though that would be difficult.

    * Me just rambling on about a future union, even though it is not really plausible.

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    No way, no freaking way. Never (canadian)

    Scar Face, how can you say you want to be part of America?
    Do you want their crappy education system?
    Their health care system?
    Their high taxes? Canada's pension plan is safe, America's pension plan is not. Do you want to pay for their mistakes, for their humongous debt? For their military?

    We WILL be made insignificant politically, we will be the 51st state.

    We share the same values and like the same things, well that's not a reason to tie our political and economical future together! Go hang out south of the border every weekend but don't let the politicians follow their agenda just because you have a lot in common with the average american.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegen View Post
    No way, no freaking way. Never (canadian)
    Scar Face, how can you say you want to be part of America?
    Do you want their crappy education system?
    Hmm. I was under the impression that the American Education system was handled on a state by state basis. If not, than this would be one of those required criteria I listed in my post.
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    Their health care system?
    Granted. Though with Canada joining the Union...the Democrats would be winning pretty consistently. Our health care system would be soon to follow.
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    Their high taxes?
    I know certain taxes are federal, but the majority of it is on a state by state basis- much like Canada. We don't have particularly low taxes either...
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    Canada's pension plan is safe, America's pension plan is not. Do you want to pay for their mistakes, for their humongous debt?
    Well, as I said, I would not wish to join with America unequivocally, the situation has to be right.
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    For their military?
    Why would I be against funding their military? I am not one of those Canadians who attempt to sleep better at night with the delusion that we are 'peacekeepers' not warriors.
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    We WILL be made insignificant politically, we will be the 51st state.
    The biggest state in the Union; economically, geographically, and by population. Affords us quite a strong degree of influence.
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    We share the same values and like the same things, well that's not a reason to tie our political and economical future together! Go hang out south of the border every weekend but don't let the politicians follow their agenda just because you have a lot in common with the average american.
    Why not? I am not much of a Nationalist, to be honest. I don't see much of anything that is uniquely Canadian. Some parts of our political systems are different than Americas, but not by a huge degree. A National identity to me is only as good as it is practical; if it would be beneficial to be part of America, then I'm for it. If not, then I'm not. Pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegen View Post
    No way, no freaking way. Never (canadian)

    Scar Face, how can you say you want to be part of America?
    Do you want their crappy education system?
    Their health care system?
    Their high taxes? Canada's pension plan is safe, America's pension plan is not. Do you want to pay for their mistakes, for their humongous debt? For their military?

    We WILL be made insignificant politically, we will be the 51st state.

    We share the same values and like the same things, well that's not a reason to tie our political and economical future together! Go hang out south of the border every weekend but don't let the politicians follow their agenda just because you have a lot in common with the average american.

    I agree with most of the problems you point, but high taxes ain't one of them. Not compared to most other western countries at least.
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    Find an other name; saying NAU is not as easy as EU.
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    Well first of all this subject is no on canada joining america, only a union, So it seems you are getting fairly riled up over nothing when it comes to politics. Economically and militarily it makes alot of sence.

    Let's just hope they were fascist communist kittens who were on their way to international fascist communist fair.

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    Find an other name; saying NAU is not as easy as EU.
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