FOR THE LOVE OF THE OTTOMANS HELP ME!

**Etimos** · March 30, 2008, 10:00 PM

Ok, i've been playing as the Turks for a while now, and really enjoying it, i love them. I have patch 1.3 installed, and i've noticed now that ever since installing, my archers automatically run away when approached by an enemy.

Admirable, or so i initially thought. I dont mind this behavior per se, but what i DO mind is that there doesnt appear to be a way to override it.

This is especially a problem when I'm using Ottoman Infantry, because they are a heavy infantry unit with 13 attack, 19 defense, and 9 ranged attack, namely a heavy knight with a bow, and they WONT STOP RUNNING AWAY!!!

I noticed this problem earlier when using afghani javeliners in a battle map, where i was attacked. the battle ended up lasting nearly 40 minutes because nothing I could do could stop them from running. Now with ottoman infantry its even worse.

I tried attacking an enemy army with an army comprised of at least half ottoman infantry. I lost HUUUUUUUUGE numbers from their cavalry just running my infantry down like grass, and NOTHING makes them stop running! I've tried turning melee on, i've tried turning fire at will off, i've tried SPAMMING the Hold button, and I've even tested this with other ranged units in custom battles.

I've tested this with javeliners, archers, arbesquers, ottoman infantry, janissary musketeers, just about every kind of ranged infantry, and always the same. THEY WILL NOT STAND THEIR GROUND OR ENGAGE IN MELEE! Now for most of them that's probably for the best, but for the heavy infantry THAT IS NOT GOOD! And against cavalry that is also not good! Running away from cavalry as infantry is pointless! The advisor even tells you this, if you're being charged, hold your ground to reduce casualties, so how the hell do I make them hold their ground now?

Does anyone know how to turn this behavior off? It is really starting to irritate the hell out of me. I had to stop playing the turks because i was gonna break my mouse.

**Korlon** · March 30, 2008, 11:55 PM

Have you tried turning skirmish mode off?

**Etimos** · March 31, 2008, 02:34 AM

I've tried toggling skirmish mode and fire at will mode

**Korlon** · March 31, 2008, 10:04 AM

Does the same thing happen with every other faction? I can't possibly believe this to be a system error. It also seems very bizarre to be even a problem with the installation, though I do suggest you try reinstalling.

**Etimos** · March 31, 2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Korlon

Does the same thing happen with every other faction? I can't possibly believe this to be a system error. It also seems very bizarre to be even a problem with the installation, though I do suggest you try reinstalling.

Yes, it happens with the ranged units of every faction i have tried it with. It's a new feature in 1.3 I'm guessing, except that the devs forgot to add a way to toggle the behavior. Near as I can tell anyway. Try this yourselves, tell me if it does it for you too. Make an army of just ranged infantry units (ottoman infantry, retinue longbowmen, french musketeers, any ranged infantry) and face them against a non-ranged enemy, and just TRY to make them stop running away.

**AlfonsoVIII** · March 31, 2008, 01:33 PM

Can you post a pic of them running away with skirmish mode off? I will test it at home tonight.

**Etimos** · March 31, 2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by AlfonsoVIII

Can you post a pic of them running away with skirmish mode off? I will test it at home tonight.

cant post a pic, because my internet is retarded. Farmer's High Speed (rural wireless network. Pile of crap, really, half the time its only a few Kb/s faster than dial up.) but you should be able to replicate it easily enough. I dont have Kingdoms, maybe they added a functionality there that i dont have, but with just medieval 2 and patch 1.3 they WILL NOT stop running away until they run out of ammo

**Etimos** · March 31, 2008, 05:54 PM

Just tried again as england, same result. Army composition, 5 sets english knights, 15 sets retinue longbowmen with stakes down. Winning the fight, but every single time my archers get charged, they scatter, and i'm incurring MASSIVE losses from cavalry just running them down. The AI seems well aware of this too, as their more common tactic now is to charge my ranged units and break up my formation, not chasing them down, just switching from one target to another so that they just keep running.

**AlfonsoVIII** · March 31, 2008, 06:22 PM

Okay, I am testing Ottoman Infantry x10 versus and Egyptian spear unit x10. The OI will be half guard enabled, all skirmish mode off and all not on fire at will.

EDIT: My OI stood their ground. Can you pause the game when they do it and put your mouse over the unit options and tell me what the popup says?

**Etimos** · March 31, 2008, 09:25 PM

HAHAHAHA! Now how could i have not noticed that? God i feel dumb. When i turned skirmish mode off they stopped running. I guess the devs got the toggle code backwards or something. I must have missed that or something. I was sure i tried that already >.< oh well, ty. Now i can resume enjoying the turks