USA Presidential Candidate Thread take X

[Farnan]

You know the drill.

Old thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...151703&page=21

Will decline from posting last 4 on topic posts as this subject and how people stands should be well known, however if you wish I will do so.

So you know I placed the candidates in alphabetical order as that is the fairest way I could think of doing it.

[HorseArcher]

Gallup: Obama Ahead Of Hillary By 10 Points

By Eric Kleefeld - March 30, 2008, 2:18PM

Today's Gallup tracking poll gives Barack Obama a full ten-point lead over Hillary Clinton. Here are the numbers, compared to yesterday:

Obama 52% (+2)
Clinton 42% (-1)

This is the largest lead that Obama has ever had in Gallup's polling, and marks the third consecutive day in which Obama has had a lead fully outside the margin of error.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi..._hillary_1.php

[fatsheep]

Gallup: Obama Ahead Of Hillary By 10 Points
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi..._hillary_1.php

It looks like a lot of democrats just want to bring this race to a close now. I wonder if this will show up in Pennsylvania? If Obama won PA then Hillary would be pressured to drop out.


Here's a post from the old thread made by my buddy Icefrisco
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...&postcount=409

So, of the states Obama has won, he has only had 1 big win in a swing state(Virginia). Of his primary/caucus wins 10 have been in red states which neither will win, 9 have been in blue states which both could win, and 2 have been in swing states however, Hilary could win one of them. So as I said before, Obama can win 1 more swing state then Hilary. Thats not going to get him elected.

Again, you are pretending like you can predict the general election. You are also still making the assumption that Hillary supporters will vote for Mccain which is a bit silly.

Well, people actually know McCain's opinions. How am I supposed to know Obama's opinions if hes only been a senator for 3 years? Plus, he has no experience. I would rather have McCain who I disagree with on 2 main issues then Obama who I disagree with on 2 main issues because McCain has experience and I know his beliefs.

Obama was a senator in Illinois for 8 years and in the US senate for 3 years (2005 - present). Hillary has been in the US senate for 7 years (2001 - present). Saying you can't know Obama's opinions because he hasn't been around long enough is ridiculous. You actually have a longer record of votes for him than you do for Hillary. If you don't know Obama's beliefs it's just because you aren't listening to him: http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/barack-obama/11/.

[Sosobra]

Here's hoping that Obama does well in Penn. so Hillary bows out. The longer this goes on the more damage is done to the party.

[Dunecat]

Anybody remember the election of 1824?

[fatsheep]

Anybody remember the election of 1824?

Like it was yesterday... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_1824

[Snoopy]

lol Ralph Nader

Why in the hell is Ralph Nader there? Even Ron Paul has a better chance then him. Even Tom Tancredo or Dennis Kucinich could beat him.

[Farnan]

lol Ralph Nader

Why in the hell is Ralph Nader there? Even Ron Paul has a better chance then him. Even Tom Tancredo or Dennis Kucinich could beat him.

Only third party candidate I thought of...

Thought I would avoid people complain about the marginalization of third parties

[Chipp]

lol Ralph Nader

Why in the hell is Ralph Nader there? Even Ron Paul has a better chance then him. Even Tom Tancredo or Dennis Kucinich could beat him.

To be honest, I doubt Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, or Dennis Kucinich could beat Ralph Nader. I mean, the people you mentioned didn't get the nod by their respective parties so they will be on a level playing field with Nader.

[Scandinavisksoldat]

Here's hoping that Obama does well in Penn. so Hillary bows out. The longer this goes on the more damage is done to the party.

The more damage to the democrats, the better. Go McCain!

[Zuwxiv]

Never have contextual ads been more important.



In all seriousness, I don't know how to vote. I like Hillary over Obama, but I think McCain is the most qualified. I really like that he's willing to admit that he doesn't know enough about some topics, even though I don't agree with him on many issues other than Iraq.

Which is very odd for a college-student liberal.

[Dunecat]

Never have contextual ads been more important.



In all seriousness, I don't know how to vote. I like Hillary over Obama, but I think McCain is the most qualified. I really like that he's willing to admit that he doesn't know enough about some topics, even though I don't agree with him on many issues other than Iraq.

Which is very odd for a college-student liberal.

You're not alone in that, trust me.

*Edit*-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-c...l_b_94207.html

[fatsheep]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-c...l_b_94207.html

Good link.

Even though pretty much all Hilary supporters will eventually go to Obama that wont be enough to get places like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Florida, ect. which are more moderate and would not go to Obama who is viewed as an extreme liberal. Also, in states like Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania the voters dont have the luxury to vote for candidate with a message rather then experience. They need a candidate who they can rely on and who they know has the experience to improve their lives. Voters in those states are in precarious economic positions and a "rookie" president whose initial actions might not be so good, would really hurt them. In states like Conneticut and even much of California, people are wealthier and the initial bad actions of a "rookie" president might not hurt them that bad.

I don't think people actually see Obama as any more liberal than Hillary. They are very similar on all the issues. The National Journal and other rankings may say that but I don't think the voters are.

First of all, state politicians focus on very different issues then national politicians. Its nice that he was a state senator but that doesnt mean much in national politics. In national politics people focus on different issues then in state politics. Thats why in places like Nassau county, Long Island the county executive(Tom Suozzi) can get away with being a pro-life Democrat. It doesnt matter to the voters what his position on abortion is since he is not in national politics.

Sure, it's different but they do vote on a lot of similar issues. They pass bills on healthcare, education, energy, etc... many of the same issues that are in national politics but on a smaller scale.

No it isnt. Look at George Bush. He was governor fore only a few years and talked about going to the white house to create a small government. What ended up happening was that he created one of the strongest central governments in American history. Who could have known he would do that?

Candidates going back on their word after they are elected is a different issue. What I am saying is that you have his record and everything he's been saying throughout this campaign to go on. As mentioned before, he's actually been in elected office longer than Hillary has.

I do?

If you look around yes. Obama has been in elected office for a combined total of around 11 years, Hillary for 7 years.

I know most of his beliefs. Listening to him doesnt help since when he talks he only criticizes everyone around him. At least McCain and Hilary have put foward ideas about health care, foreign affairs, ect. The only time I ever heard Obama speak about an idea outside a debate was when he said he wanted to launch attacks against strategic positions in Pakistan. The past 5-8 times I listened to him speak he only talked about unity, how bad many politicians are, and hope. Apparently, I am not the only person who has this problem of not hearing about Obama's ideas during his speeches.

First off, the speeches candidates make at their rallies aren't always the best way to learn about their policies. When I listen to Hillary speak, I get sick of hearing these silly slogans "solutions not speeches" and "it took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, it will take a Clinton to clean up after the second BUSH!!!!!!"... Maybe she's more detailed in her speeches, I'm not really sure. I listen to the debates more than the speeches. One time I listened to both of their speeches they made in Wisconsin at a dinner back to back and they were pretty much the same in terms of content. They both had some indirect criticism for each other ("I'm in the solutions business", "don't tell me words don't matter", blah blah blah...) but the issues they discussed in very similar ways.

Second, they have all put forward ideas on healthcare, foreign affairs, etc... Yes he talks a lot about hope and problems in Washington but there's also ideas in there. If you really want to learn about his positions than go to his site and you can download a 64 page document of specifics.

[Scandinavisksoldat]

In all seriousness, I don't know how to vote. I like Hillary over Obama, but I think McCain is the most qualified.

McCain is the most qualified, because he's the only one who's a veteran. Did Hillary or Obama serve in 'Nam? No.

To me, that's all that matters. (well, that and a bunch of other things)

[H_man]

McCain is the most qualified, because he's the only one who's a veteran. Did Hillary or Obama serve in 'Nam? No.

To me, that's all that matters. (well, that and a bunch of other things)

I didn't die in 'Nam for ungrateful kids such as yourself.

[Scandinavisksoldat]

I didn't die in 'Nam for ungrateful kids such as yourself.

Wait...If you died in 'Nam, wouldn't you be dead? Sorry sir, but I meant no disrespect to any Veterans. I'm just saying I'd vote for any Veteran who ran for president (if I could vote; I'm only 13.). In my mind, anyone who's a Veteran is fit to run our country. Unless they did something dishonorable. I'm also saying that, in addition to McCain being a Veteran, there are many other reasons to vote for him as well. (such as his great policies.) So, either YOU hate Veterans, you thought I was being sarcastic, or you have top secret info on something McCain did that was really dishonorable.

[Scar Face]

McCain is the most qualified, because he's the only one who's a veteran. Did Hillary or Obama serve in 'Nam? No.

To me, that's all that matters. (well, that and a bunch of other things)

Military experience is completely and utterly separate from Administrative experience. He has that, but you can not use Military experience as a pro for governing a country. He fought as a single individual solder, he knows the military. That does not mean however, he can run the economy, pass bills in congress, unite the parties, or even....run the military. Big difference between a solder and a General [or rather, the commander and chief].

[Scandinavisksoldat]

Military experience is completely and utterly separate from Administrative experience. He has that, but you can not use Military experience as a pro for governing a country. He fought as a single individual solder, he knows the military. That does not mean however, he can run the economy, pass bills in congress, unite the parties, or even....run the military. Big difference between a solder and a General [or rather, the commander and chief].

Right, well that's why he should have Romney as his V.P. Romney's great with the economy.

[Scar Face]

Right, well that's why he should have Romney as his V.P. Romney's great with the economy.

Combined with his lack of conviction [i.e hes a flip flopper], his all around corruption and idiocy- great V.P candidate, oh yes.

[Icefrisco]

Again, you are pretending like you can predict the general election. You are also still making the assumption that Hillary supporters will vote for Mccain which is a bit silly.

Even though pretty much all Hilary supporters will eventually go to Obama that wont be enough to get places like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Florida, ect. which are more moderate and would not go to Obama who is viewed as an extreme liberal. Also, in states like Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania the voters dont have the luxury to vote for candidate with a message rather then experience. They need a candidate who they can rely on and who they know has the experience to improve their lives. Voters in those states are in precarious economic positions and a "rookie" president whose initial actions might not be so good, would really hurt them. In states like Conneticut and even much of California, people are wealthier and the initial bad actions of a "rookie" president might not hurt them that bad.

Obama was a senator in Illinois for 8 years and in the US senate for 3 years (2005 - present).

First of all, state politicians focus on very different issues then national politicians. Its nice that he was a state senator but that doesnt mean much in national politics. In national politics people focus on different issues then in state politics. Thats why in places like Nassau county, Long Island the county executive(Tom Suozzi) can get away with being a pro-life Democrat. It doesnt matter to the voters what his position on abortion is since he is not in national politics.

Saying you can't know Obama's opinions because he hasn't been around long enough is ridiculous.

No it isnt. Look at George Bush. He was governor fore only a few years and talked about going to the white house to create a small government. What ended up happening was that he created one of the strongest central governments in American history. Who could have known he would do that?

You actually have a longer record of votes for him than you do for Hillary.

I do?

If you don't know Obama's beliefs it's just because you aren't listening to him:

I know most of his beliefs. Listening to him doesnt help since when he talks he only criticizes everyone around him. At least McCain and Hilary have put foward ideas about health care, foreign affairs, ect. The only time I ever heard Obama speak about an idea outside a debate was when he said he wanted to launch attacks against strategic positions in Pakistan. The past 5-8 times I listened to him speak he only talked about unity, how bad many politicians are, and hope. Apparently, I am not the only person who has this problem of not hearing about Obama's ideas during his speeches.

Why in the hell is Ralph Nader there? Even Ron Paul has a better chance then him. Even Tom Tancredo or Dennis Kucinich could beat him.

I wouldnt go that far...

In all seriousness, I don't know how to vote. I like Hillary over Obama, but I think McCain is the most qualified. I really like that he's willing to admit that he doesn't know enough about some topics, even though I don't agree with him on many issues other than Iraq.

I sort of feel the same way.