Strengths & Weaknesses -5.1

[Ruprecht]

Hey,

I am playing SS 5.1 for the first time and have started an ireland campaign. and when on the faction selection screen the strengths and weaknesses of ireland were identical to england.

I thought you beuty, as i love using their awesome longbowmen. now i'm on turn 36 and see no good archers or longbowmen at all.

So is this a bug with the faction screen, or will i get my legendary longbows soon ?

all i got is galeic archers,and they aren'y very good at all.

[dj LiTh]

I think they're called Saethers or something like that, not sure when they come about but i think RR+RC will limit when you can build them (year wise)

[Ruprecht]

Ok thats good to know that it isen't a bug.

I don't know what RR + RC is exactly, but ill'e take your word for it.

thanx much +rep

Btw, has anyone noticed the archers in SS are as weak as piss ?

[dj LiTh]

Ok thats good to know that it isen't a bug.

I don't know what RR + RC is exactly, but ill'e take your word for it.

thanx much +rep

Btw, has anyone noticed the archers in SS are as weak as piss ?

RR = real recruitment and RC = real combat

(both mods that are included in things like echads fix pack ect)

[Ruprecht]

I had some really epic battles to hold onto my cities when fighting with England. And if it wasn't for my skills in exploiting AI weaknesses I'd probably fail terribly. It's really hard to get running as Ireland and after all this hard work when you finally do it, they don't have much to offer in return since their late roster is inferior to any other late roster in the game...

I was strongly advocating for adding them to SS back when they weren't on the map thinking they will bring some counterbalance to England... but now I consider them the first candidate for removal if we ever want to add a faction again and are in need of a slot.

Damn, i whish you diden't tell me that becuase i had high hopes for Ireland. I was pleasantly surprised when i seen the faction available and thought it would be a nice way to play out my herritage.

On my mother's side they are Irish and my father's side is dutch, so i find it hard to pick a good roleplaying faction.

Btw anyone know why the papal hate Ireland, becuase it's been almost 30 turns since i was excommunicated and i still haven't got reconciled, my crosses fluxuate from 4 to 6 on the papal favour scroll. i thought that would be more than enough for reconcilliation.

It's driving me nuts becuase i have to give 300 + map then 1000 after their disposition changes to pleased each turn just to keep the favour above 4 crosses and i find myself broke as a joke.

RR = real recruitment and RC = real combat

(both mods that are included in things like echads fix pack ect)

Thanx again

[Bacon!]

Btw, has anyone noticed the archers in SS are as weak as piss ?

Try Englands, French or the Turks (late era) archers then you wont be disopointed. Englands longbowmen have great ranged attack and there retinue archers can hold there own in meele. The French have some good crossbowmen called Arbalesters and theres scots guard are a good alt if you dont like crossbows. The turks janissary archers also have a good range and attack and foot archers wise have an advantage over there other muslim factions.

there are some pretty good archers if you look for them, i think thats its only really the Iberian factions,scandanavian factions and the eastern european factions that lack good foot archers, i actually think that Saethwyr have one less ranged attack then the English longbows and a little less range then the retinues but there still worth your while . Anyway if you want some legendary longbows try England rather then Ireland

Hope that helps

[delra]

Ireland is a real challenge. Their economy is very weak until you beat your much stronger neighbours. And their roster doesn't really help.

Archers in RC are as close to reality as possible and I like them this way.

[Ruprecht]

Try Englands, French or the Turks (late era) archers then you wont be disopointed. Englands longbowmen have great ranged attack and there retinue archers can hold there own in meele. The French have some good crossbowmen called Arbalesters and theres scots guard are a good alt if you dont like crossbows. The turks janissary archers also have a good range and attack and foot archers wise have an advantage over there other muslim factions.

there are some pretty good archers if you look for them, i think thats its only really the Iberian factions,scandanavian factions and the eastern european factions that lack good foot archers, i actually think that Saethwyr have one less ranged attack then the English longbows and a little less range then the retinues but there still worth your while . Anyway if you want some legendary longbows try England rather then Ireland

Hope that helps

Hey,

I have already played as england, but that was only Retrofit and really liked using the retinue archers. they are strong as hell. and the Sherwood's weren't bad either, i remember them taking a charge from mongol heavy cavalry and they melee'ed them to death lol.

However as i stated above the [strengths & weaknesses] on the faction selection screen had indentical details for both england and Ireland, so if this is not a bug i should have the superb archers that were promised to me.

Ireland is a real challenge. Their economy is very weak until you beat your much stronger neighbours. And their roster doesn't really help.

Archers in RC are as close to reality as possible and I like them this way.

Yeah man i find being Ireland alot harder than HRE or England. especially with the tweaked economics in SS 5.1, I'm pretty good at making money in this game, but this is testing me a little.

It's turn 38 and i have conquered all england and most of france, and so far love the new battle system. I got excommunicated pretty early in the game when i was trying to make some decent ground. as Ireland is stuck up there without even a paddle boat to go anywhere.

I still haven't been reconciled despite my constant gifts of money and map info to papal, currently on 4 crosses. The HRE are growing very big , a little too big and it's making me nervous. so im sending my best princess to ally with them [ took me ages to make this descission ] as they already have 4 allies, and their regions are consumming most of europe.

Btw i still don't know what RC stands for.

[delra]

I had some really epic battles to hold onto my cities when fighting with England. And if it wasn't for my skills in exploiting AI weaknesses I'd probably fail terribly. It's really hard to get running as Ireland and after all this hard work when you finally do it, they don't have much to offer in return since their late roster is inferior to any other late roster in the game...

I was strongly advocating for adding them to SS back when they weren't on the map thinking they will bring some counterbalance to England... but now I consider them the first candidate for removal if we ever want to add a faction again and are in need of a slot.

[Chim]

You can also try my Improved Marksman mod, click the link in my sig. Maybe that is what you are looking for?

[delra]

Ruprecht: send a diplomat to Rome and give some huge gifts to the Pope, he will reconcile you. Or if you're poor (most probably you are) wait untile the old man dies. His successor will reconcile everybody.

[Ruprecht]

Yeah my general's are in the poor house of late, i have about 14,000 to my name on a good day. the pope is 58, i sure hope the old bugger dies soon.

I have 13 settlements 2 of which are castles and im constantly waiting for more population so i can upgrade, it's really slow. although i built ports,wharf's,farms and merchant building's in all of them, they are still primitive.


@wonkuruben : I was under the impression that what the Strengths & weaknesses tab said was correct. which is superb longbowmen and good infantry. the same as england.

Since that seems false [bugged] i have no problems using what iv'e got, i mean you get what you get i suppose.

But i will look into it , thanx

[Allu X]

Did Ireland even have Longbowmen historically, or is this just because they are using some of the Welsh rooster?

[Ruprecht]

Did Ireland even have Longbowmen historically, or is this just because they are using some of the Welsh rooster?

Hey,

To be honest i really don't know, but i think it would be correct to say they had good infantry. which seems to be evident in my campaign. although i'm using non-elite units, they do pwn england's and france's infantry.

But man what can i say about bodyguard units [ They pwn anything] even spearmen lol. that's one of my favourite things about SS is the adjustments to units.

[Ruprecht]

Well well ... This is truely awesome, the faction window was correct. Ireland do have superb longbowmen as i have just built an archery range and the description of these guys gives me warm feelings all over.

And even more awesome, france decided they would attack 3 of my settlements in one go, i won't get into detail but let's say that meant 3 heroic victories for me.

Outflanked, outgunned and outnumbred the Irish certainly do pack a punch. although they are crippled badly by their position on the map, they are a force to be reckoned with.

The longbowmen i have just trained are called Saethwyr, and i'm yet to test their abilities. judging by thier stats they look half decent. the attack is quite low but good defense, so all in all i was wrong to think this was a bug.
ps : Am i the only person playing the Irish or what ?

[delra]

One last advice. Do not automanage your taxes. Lower them in every single city that can't build a port yet until it grows enough for you to be able to get it. After that your economy will take off and you will be swimming in cash faster than you can notice. Especially if you have northern France and some Scandinavian ports too.

[Ruprecht]

One last advice. Do not automanage your taxes. Lower them in every single city that can't build a port yet until it grows enough for you to be able to get it. After that your economy will take off and you will be swimming in cash faster than you can notice. Especially if you have northern France and some Scandinavian ports too.

Haha, the only thing i let the AI manage is the enemy armies. I am quite adept at economical management, and was just trying to say the SS mod makes a very big difference that impacts your income negatively.

Turn 45 and i'm still exo'ed, thats 30 + turns of excommunication lol, it's a bit of a struggle since the order penalty from exo makes it hard to maintain cities. but i seem to be flourishing and my armies are hardcore son's a es let me tell you.

Thanx for the feedback though.

[UglySori]

I am fairly certain that if you suicide your king you will be reconciled with the pope after your faction king's death. Something to keep in mind if you are too poor to buy back forgiveness or the Pope is too young to die quickly.

[Tetsu]

I am fairly certain that if you suicide your king you will be reconciled with the pope after your faction king's death. Something to keep in mind if you are too poor to buy back forgiveness or the Pope is too young to die quickly.

Pope boy is NEVER too young to die
The English Assassins guild has been busy lately...

[delra]

Now when you waited so long, just wait some more. It's not worth a king...