If racism wasn't involved?
What would you think of Nazism
If racism wasn't involved?
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Well, extreme nationalism is never a good thing either.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Its all ready here, its called socialism.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
That's actually the opposite.Originally Posted by Big War Bird
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It wouldn't really be Nazism then, would it?
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Well what would you call it? Fascism? Fascism doesn't always support ethnic nationalism, eugenics, or anti-communism.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Doesnt Nazism mean National Socialism?
I think a national socialist country will be like Sweden and Turkey combined into one.
Hardcore nationalists tend to be racist. But that depends on the diversity of the country first.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Nazism means Nazional-Sozialist, or as jankren said, National Socialism. It has nothing to do with jews and auschwitz... Hitler on the other hand...
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Nazism isn't that much Socialism. It's socialist in the way that they concentrate on the People, like People Cars (Volkswagens). However, unlike Socialism and Communism, to which ''the people'' (if such a term is used mind you) generally refers to everyone but in Nazism ''the people'' generally refers to a specific group. It's more like a Social-Elitocracy (I'm making it up here) than true Socialism. Nazism isn't racist per se but it tends to be because of the aforementioned. Nazism, in a nutshell, is Facism (nationalism) sugar-coated with a layer of Social-Elitocracy.
We only have one example of Nazism, which is why we affliate it so much with Anti-Semitism and hate though it doesn't rely on it per se. With Communism to name an example, we've got multiple different streams. Like the Stalinism we all love to hate; the original Marxism and Goulash-Communism.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that knows that.
Adolf Hitler was hired by the German Army after World War I to infiltrate and shut down left-wing organizations. He was given an assignment to do surveillance on the the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei because of the leftist sounding name. When he was actually part of the organization he found out that it was very different from a Communist party, it was actually the complete opposite. The only thing they share is a desire of better life for the people, only Communism is against nationalism.
I would consider myself a Nazi, except for the fact that I'm not racist and I don't hate Jews.
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Except Hitler added the Nationalist part after he became leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_party
Hitler then added National Socialist to make it the NSDAP which was its official name.It was known as the German Workers Party (DAP) before the name was changed in 1920.
Actually, Hitler only joined after he couldn't resist but debate. Nothing to do with him realising it wasn't communist, in fact the name he wanted to adopt for it was very Socialist Revolutionary sounding styled after the revolutionaries of Russia.When he was actually part of the organization he found out that it was very different from a Communist party, it was actually the complete opposite.
A young corporal, Adolf Hitler, was sent by German army intelligence to investigate the DAP. While attending a party meeting, Hitler got involved in a heated political argument and made an impression on the other party members with his oratory skills. He was invited to join, and, after some deliberation, chose to accept. Among the party’s earlier members were Rudolf Hess, Hans Frank and Alfred Rosenberg, all later prominent in the Nazi regime. Hitler became the 555th member of the DAP [1], but he later claimed to be member number seven (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining too small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added "National Socialist" to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the "Social Revolutionary Party"; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming.
The only thing they share is a desire of better life for the people, only Communism is against nationalism.Technically Communism and Bolshevism isn't anti-Nationalism as the Russification of Russia under Lenin shows.The DAP was violently opposed to the SPD, and particularly to the newly-formed Communist Party of Germany (KPD). Members of the DAP saw themselves as fighting against "Bolshevism", though they also claimed to be a working-class party.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
National Socialism is to actual Socialism as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is to actual republicanism and/or Democracy.
The idea that Nazism is somehow socialism, is a myth.
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If I had wheels I would be a Porsche.
What an unfortunate coincidence that Hitler was the head of the Nazi party and State apparatus that exterminated 6.000.000 Jews and a sizable proportion of other people. What an unfortunate coincidence that we have no other historical example of Nazis doing anything else.
Concentration was a big thing with the Nazis. That is why they made all those concentration camps. I think they became very concentrated in this.
A very specific group of people that are not Slavs, Jews, homosexuals, mentally incapacitated, women or any other nationality than German. I found this also very concentrated.
Yeah, it definitely had such tendencies. Too bad it didn't grow up to see if all that was an adolescent spell and those would disappear with manhood. That would be actually a very good retort to all the victims of those "tendencies": Relax, it's just a phase, it will grow out of it...
You say sugar, I say blood. Same planet, different worlds.
Although rampant antisemitism was on all election platforms of the NSDAP from 1929 to 1933 per se...
But as you say we have only one example which for many people is an example too many.
While all the other ideologies from the beginning of mankind desire a worst life for the people.
Re: What would you think of Nazism
I'm glad I'm not the only educated person here.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
Actually, it was a form of socialism. After all, the 3rd Reich maintained control over a number of factors, including evrything from the economy to everyday life. If you don't believe this is Socialism, then you obviously have no idea what Socialism is. You see, the German Nazis and the Italian fascists were in essence conservative socialists. What, are you going to even try arguing that they were libertarians?
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So you are saying Nazism doesn't really refer to the people even though the system claims to? Isn't that what communism does? Or is there some rule in the national socialist handbook that says the ideology only has to pretend?
Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.
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Re: What would you think of Nazism
The question is not really what we think of Nazism (there are too much personal "opinions" on this issue), but what really Nazism is.
And if you wanna know what Nazism is, I recommend you to read Ernst Nolte's Der Faschismus in seiner Epoche (Piper Verlag, München, 1963). It's a classic scientific view about the origins and development of fascists movements in Europe: Action Francaise (actually the first type of fascism), Italian fascism, and national socialism.
Re: What would you think of Nazism
its the dumbest and most contradictory ideology ever created. Nazism is a mix between Right Wing politics and Socialism.
Yet Hitler established Autarky and banned the trade unions.
Re: What would you think of Nazism
Read above.
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