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    MEMRI As Mossad Op
    MEMRI Is A 'Propaganda Machine,' Expert Says And
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    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) provides daily English translations of film and print media stories originating in Arabic, Iranian and Turkish media. It also furnishes original analysis of cultural, political and religious trends in the Middle East. It sends its daily postings to every news outlet in the United States and Europe, in addition to politicians and cultural leaders. And it's free, which makes it a Godsend for journalists, editors and policy analysts. But according to its critics, it is also a dangerous, highly sophisticated propaganda operation, disseminating hate and disinformation on an unprecedented worldwide basis. "They use the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis," Professor Norman G. Finkelstein, a well-known scholar on Israel/Palestine, told InFocus. "They take things out of context in order to do personal and political harm to people they don't like." Take the case of Professor Halim Barakat, a novelist and scholar associated with the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University. In 2002, he published an article on Zionism in London's Al-Hayat Daily, but says that in certain instances, MEMRI selectively edited what he wrote. "I know how to make a distinction between Judaism and Zionism, but they distorted the article," Barakat told InFocus. "They left out certain things and tried to make it look anti-Semitic." Shortly afterward, Campus Watch, the brainchild of notorious Islamophobe Daniel Pipes, used the allegedly doctored translation in an effort to smear Georgetown University. Finkelstein, an outspoken critic of Israeli policies and the U.S. pro-Israel lobby, also had a run-in with MEMRI. In 2006, he gave a TV interview in Lebanon on the way the Nazi Holocaust is used to silence critics of Israel. Finkelstein later wrote on his Web site: "MEMRI recently posted what it alleged was an interview I did with Lebanese television on the Nazi Holocaust. The MEMRI posting was designed to prove that I was a Holocaust denier." Far from being a Holocaust denier, Finkelstein's own parents were Holocaust survivors, a fact he has often spoken about. But MEMRI was able to create the opposite impression, as Finkelstein demonstrated on his Web site, by editing out large chunks of the actual interview. When some comments by the moderator were included, it appeared that Finkelstein's interview was about nitpicking the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust rather than about Israel/Palestine. MEMRI's obsessive interest in protecting Israel derives from the people and interests that founded, fund and manage the institute's international operations. It was founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in the Israel Defense Forces (Intelligence Branch) from 1968 until 1988, acting head of civil administration in the West Bank from 1977 to 1982; and Israeli-born Meyrav Wurmser, an extreme rightwing neoconservative now affiliated with the Hudson Institute. Meyrav is married to David Wurmser, at one time an American Enterprise Institute "scholar" and then a State Department apparatchik under John Bolton. Both participated in the collective writing of "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," a seminal 1996 neocon document that advocated an end to negotiations with the Palestinians and permanent war against the Arab world. They also worked with Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle and other rightwing ideologues who promoted and embellished the fiction that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. MEMRI has offices in Jerusalem, Berlin, London, Washington and Tokyo, and in a 2006 Jerusalem Post interview, Carmon claimed to have one in Iraq. It translates film and print into English, German, Hebrew, Italian, French, Spanish and Japanese. Tax returns for 2004 indicate American funding of between two to three million dollars, much of it from conservative donors and foundations - but those who have followed its far-flung operations suspect much higher expenditures. Besides Carmon, several MEMRI staffers are former Israeli intelligence specialists. Especially troubling are suspected links between MEMRI and the current Israeli intelligence establishment. According to a 2005 article in Israel's Ha'aretz, the Israeli Defense Forces plants fake stories in the Arab media, which it then translates and tries to retail to Israeli journalists. How much of MEMRI is simply an extension of such IDF operations? The questions raised by the Ha'aretz story caused Proffesor Juan Cole to write, "How much of what we 'know' from 'Arab sources' about 'Hizbullah terrorism' was simply made up by this fantasy factory in Tel Aviv?" British journalist Brian Whitaker, Middle East editor of the Guardian, dismisses MEMRI as "basically a propaganda machine." Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, accuses them of "outright distortion," and former CIA case officer Vince Cannistraro has written that "they (MEMRI) are selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which is the extreme-right of Likud." With characteristic bluntness. Norman Finkelstein has written: "MEMRI is a main arm of Israeli propaganda. Although widely used in the mainstream media as a source of information on the Arab world, it is as trustworthy as Julius Streicher's Der Sturmer was on the Jewish world." (Der Sturmer was a rabidly anti-Semitic newspaper, and Streicher a notoriously cruel Nazi.) In an e-mail to InFocus, Cole characterized MEMRI as "a Right-Zionist propaganda organ, which usually does its propaganda unobtrusively, by being very selective in what it translates." Indeed , MEMRI appears to view the Arab world as a malevolent, mind-numbing monsters' ball, populated almost exclusively by fanatics, freaks and fundamentalists. Every story that could possibly make Middle Eastern people look deranged, hateful or diabolical gets translated; anything that could make them look informed, talented or admirable is ignored. MEMRI says it covers reformers in the Arabic-speaking world, but longtime observers point out that people who make Islam or Arab culture look attractive rarely get translated, regardless of their position. Nor does MEMRI feature stories about Palestinian suffering, Israeli dissenters, moderate Islamists, Christians in Arab governments or the growing nonviolent movement against the apartheid wall in the Occupied Territories, especially around Bal'in. Instead, it promotes highly-edited footage featuring people like Wafa Sultan. It was MEMRI that translated the sound bites from her famous al-Jazeera debate with Dr. Ibrahim al-Kouly that ended up on YouTube, making her an instant rock star to those who promote an international clash of cultures. It is said by TV viewers who watched the entire debate that al-Kouly was rather patient with Sultan despite her extreme opinions. (Among other things, Sultan has declared herself an atheist.) But MEMRI never bothered to translate and promote the whole debate. MEMRI President Yigal Carmon was contacted to ask why the entire Sultan debate wasn't translated and circulated, at least in a print version. "MEMRI couldn't do the whole interview because of the limitations of our resources," Carmon told InFocus. "And it was just our best judgment of what was fit to translate." He said he thought there was an "almost" complete version in the archives. InFocus asked Carmon why MEMRI didn't post more stories about domestic events in Israel and the OTC. "Eighty percent of such stories are already in English," Carmon said. Then why not buy a few every week and send them out in order to give a more balanced picture of the Middle East, InFocus asked, "It probably wouldn't be legal ," he responded. That brought up the thorny issue of copyright, ownership and power. Why, Carmon was asked, does MEMRI copyright all the stories it translates, when most stories are written by Arab authors? "Of course we copyright," Carmon told InFocus. "Once we translate a story into another language, it becomes ours, because it's our work." To test this theory in an American context, InFocus contacted The New York Times. "If you translate copy from the Times, it would still belong to us, because we originated it," said an employee of the Rights and Royalties Department who did not wish to be named. When war and peace hangs on the translation of a single word or phrase, nuance is everything. But can we trust the translator? According its critics, until MEMRI starts translating Hebrew stories about the rightward drift of Israeli society, torture of Palestinians in Israeli jails, the forced exile of Ilan Pappe and Azmi Bishara, and the elevation of the neo-fascist Avigdor Lieberman to deputy prime minister of Israel, they aren't really covering all Middle Eastern media. "I think it's a reliable assumption that anything MEMRI translates from the Middle East is going to be unreliable," Finkelstein said.
    The next time you see a video on Youtube which opens with MEMRI logo, just beware.

    Anyway, I personally want my own country to study all aspects of Nazi Germany, too because apparently they did have great amount of useful ideas that can be used to survive in this world as Israel has repeatedly shown.
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    this is actually the propaganda not memri-- thats like saying that fox news is the bastion of the CIA it just makes no sense, I find your comparison with jews and nazis not only insulting but ridiculous.

    if the jews actually did use nazi tactics there wouldnt be one goddamn arab left on this green earth nor ing muslim, so think twice before you make the comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    this is actually the propaganda not memri-- thats like saying that fox news is the bastion of the CIA it just makes no sense, I find your comparison with jews and nazis not only insulting but ridiculous.

    if the jews actually did use nazi tactics there wouldnt be one goddamn arab left on this green earth nor ing muslim, so think twice before you make the comparison.
    The Jew who wrote the article is the one who connected Israel with Nazism if you even ing bothered to ing read it.

    And Im sure Israel would make every single ing Muslim disappear from Palestine if there was no such a thing as public image.

    Germany too wont be as successful in exterminating Jews if they did what they did today in this age of information if you know what I mean.

    Besides, its laughable to think Israel could exterminate every single Arab on this earth.

    this is actually the propaganda not memri-- thats like saying that fox news is the bastion of the CIA it just makes no sense, I find your comparison with jews and nazis not only insulting but ridiculous.
    I will call FOX News the bastion of CIA if its founder and top employees are ex or active CIA agents.
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    Well actually they have to an extant. Not to sound like a person against Israel but Israel has, in many ways their actions in the 48 war could be compared to ethnic claensings however one should remember that both sides commited such atrocities in that war. Also theres the implementation of one being required to be in the Military.

    Also any one with Knowledge on the Middle East should know that Memri is hardly the most trustworthy source

    However Norman Finkelstine is hardly one to be claiming bias. Him saying their biased is the pot calling the kettle black.
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    Jankren I really doubt it. Well maybe the Kahanist s and some more radical members of Likud but I don't think the Majority feel that way, neither dose the government, now if you were going to say dissapearing everyone from Gaza you might have a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Jankren I really doubt it. Well maybe the Kahanist s and some more radical members of Likud but I don't think the Majority feel that way, neither dose the government, now if you were going to say dissapearing everyone from Gaza you might have a point.
    I was merely using hyperbole you know.


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    Interesting article. I've never heard of MEMRI. How widespread and popular is it? How many British newspapers does it supply with news? (Daily Telegraph is a given). How can you tell if a story is from MEMRI? Does it say in the print?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Interesting article. I've never heard of MEMRI. How widespread and popular is it? How many British newspapers does it supply with news? (Daily Telegraph is a given). How can you tell if a story is from MEMRI? Does it say in the print?
    If you often saw videos of crazy Arabs on Youtube or whatever you would usually see a MEMRI logo in the beginning. Like this:



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    why am i not surprised it's an ex-mossad bloke who created this POS?

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    The only stuff I've ever seen of MEMRI has of course always been completely one sided, there is no doubt about it. But so what, when the clips I've actually seen are nothing but the enemies of Israel exposing themselves for what they are? MEMRI vids tend to show disgusting hateful muslims saying disgusting hateful things. MEMRI hasn't made them say it, only exposed them. They dig their own graves with their words.

    It exposes anti-Israeli propaganda, that is its mission. And they do a good job of it, too.

    If you often saw videos of crazy Arabs on Youtube or whatever you would usually see a MEMRI logo in the beginning. Like this:
    Exactly my point. An Arab or muslim says it, MEMRI reports it. Who is in the wrong?

    And this thread from a guy who loves Al-Jazeera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    The only stuff I've ever seen of MEMRI has of course always been completely one sided, there is no doubt about it. But so what, when the clips I've actually seen are nothing but the enemies of Israel exposing themselves for what they are? MEMRI vids tend to show disgusting hateful muslims saying disgusting hateful things. MEMRI hasn't made them say it, only exposed them. They dig their own graves with their words.

    It exposes anti-Israeli propaganda, that is its mission. And they do a good job of it, too.



    Exactly my point. An Arab or muslim says it, MEMRI reports it. Who is in the wrong?

    And this thread from a guy who loves Al-Jazeera.


    So it's ok to stir the fire that's already in flames by someone else? Can't you see their exposition of anti-Israeli propaganda is also a propaganda against those people and it only helps to increase the hate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    So it's ok to stir the fire that's already in flames by someone else? Can't you see their exposition of anti-Israeli propaganda is also a propaganda against those people and it only helps to increase the hate...
    So how else to educate the rest of the world, who aren't aware of what these Arabic TV stations are broadcasting to their populaces, even on kiddie shows? Without MEMRI and other such endeavours the world would be completely oblivious to the real motivation behind a lot of what goes on in that region.

    Most reasonable Westerners don't hate Jews or muslim Arabs, and yet we are constantly pricked by emotional or visual cues in the media to take sides. If the anti-Jewish nations want to create a station like MEMRI, well fine. But I fear they will find a dearth of political figures or other influential Jewish people who spout the horrid garbage that the non-Jewish influential people do in that region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    So how else to educate the rest of the world, who aren't aware of what these Arabic TV stations are broadcasting to their populaces, even on kiddie shows? Without MEMRI and other such endeavours the world would be completely oblivious to the real motivation behind a lot of what goes on in that region.

    Most reasonable Westerners don't hate Jews or Muslim Arabs, and yet we are constantly pricked by emotional or visual cues in the media to take sides. If the anti-Jewish nations want to create a station like MEMRI, well fine. But I fear they will find a dearth of political figures or other influential Jewish people who spout the horrid garbage that the non-Jewish influential people do in that region.
    So this is education? Should I create a news network that broadcasts various speeches from western leaders that refer to Middle-Eastern people as savages and animals? That would really help the peaceful environment that already can't be established. That MEMRI is not a way to educate people about the intentions of millions of people. It just helps to increase the hatred, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    The only stuff I've ever seen of MEMRI has of course always been completely one sided, there is no doubt about it. But so what, when the clips I've actually seen are nothing but the enemies of Israel exposing themselves for what they are? MEMRI vids tend to show disgusting hateful muslims saying disgusting hateful things. MEMRI hasn't made them say it, only exposed them. They dig their own graves with their words.
    The problem with MEMRI is that they 'repackage' someone elses work by editing and mistranslating it to suit their agenda. Of course I fully realize this is actually something common in many other medias too. But all Im saying is when you watch a segment that has been repackaged by MEMRI take it with a grain of salt.

    They arent the media they are a monitoring organization. They dont shoot video footage, they dont interview people all they do is pick up broadcasts from the middle east and package them with translations. They are about as much the media as any blog out there or "think tank" and hence should always be viewed with caution. There is little doubt MEMRI is selective but considering the thousands and thousands of sites out there that do this why should MEMRI be viewed as anything worse? MEMRI translates zionist into jew to make it seem like all jews (though to be fair alot of times that is the intent) vs Palenstian photographer airbrushing in thinker clouds of smoke to make it seem like bigger attack happened then what really did. Its all the same nonsense.
    Exactly my point. Im glad someone understands my point. As a said above I just want people to know the truth behind MEMRI so the next time they see its works they will be more cautious. I know there are many other similar medias like MEMRI but I think it is far more popular and it produces more works than others.

    they get bad press cause their Arab language service and their English language service use to have drastically different point of view.
    Maybe true. I have never watched the Arabic version of Al Jazeera. But one thing is true is that Al Jazeera English and BBC are the probably the most unbiased major news media if compared to others.


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    bpoofhead
    what about journalistic integrity amd impartiality?
    there's a reason why noone trusts fox news, or takes it with a massive dose of salt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    bpoofhead
    what about journalistic integrity amd impartiality?
    there's a reason why noone trusts fox news, or takes it with a massive dose of salt...
    Did you just call me a 'poof'?

    I don't watch MEMRI as a complete source of news, who would? It's not designed to be. It is designed to report upon what certain people are saying about Israel.

    All they really do is translate Arabic television into English and publish the information on the web. They aren't translating what Joe Blow says, either, they translate what leaders and other influential people are saying to the masses in those countries.

    It's a great source of information, why else do international news services source them frequently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    bpoofhead
    what about journalistic integrity amd impartiality?
    there's a reason why noone trusts fox news, or takes it with a massive dose of salt...
    They arent the media they are a monitoring organization. They dont shoot video footage, they dont interview people all they do is pick up broadcasts from the middle east and package them with translations. They are about as much the media as any blog out there or "think tank" and hence should always be viewed with caution. There is little doubt MEMRI is selective but considering the thousands and thousands of sites out there that do this why should MEMRI be viewed as anything worse? MEMRI translates zionist into jew to make it seem like all jews (though to be fair alot of times that is the intent) vs Palenstian photographer airbrushing in thinker clouds of smoke to make it seem like bigger attack happened then what really did. Its all the same nonsense.

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    Great, this just gives credence to those idiot white supremecist claims that Jews are secretly controlling the media.

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    I'm not surprised, but Memri does have some really funny vids though, one had these two Shiite and Sunni guys on, and they were arguing about saddam. The Sunni started by saying "I'd just like to take a few minutes to recite al-Fatiha for our martyred leader Saddam", the Shiite guy started arguing and it descended into them shouting and throwing stuff at each other, the Sunni claiming the other was "A PERSIAN".

    But there are plenty of lies, one video was entitled "Iranian Animated Film for Children Promotes Suicide Bombings" I showed it to someone who knew Farsi and they said the language used in it was not for children, he said it was probably aimed at young adults, and it wasn't promoting conventional suicide bombings, rather the Iranian concept of Martyrdom involving self sacrifice on the battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Spamurai View Post
    But there are plenty of lies, one video was entitled "Iranian Animated Film for Children Promotes Suicide Bombings" I showed it to someone who knew Farsi and they said the language used in it was not for children, he said it was probably aimed at young adults, and it wasn't promoting conventional suicide bombings, rather the Iranian concept of Martyrdom involving self sacrifice on the battlefield.
    Was that the stupid mouse thing? (joke)

    SS even that is worth non Middle Eastern people hearing, because it demonstrates the mentality behind the entire conflict over there. What Western nation says "Join the army and die for God?" "Get killed to be great?"

    It's all the same thing! MEMRI provides the world with a valuable service, if you ask me.

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