UK military admits Iraqis tortured

[HorseArcher]

LONDON, England (AP) -- The British military admitted Thursday that it breached the human rights of an Iraqi man who died in custody, and that its soldiers also violated the rights of eight other detained Iraqis.

UK Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth condemned the abuse.

The Ministry of Defense said it expects to negotiate compensation for the survivors of the dead man, Baha Mousa, and with the eight former detainees.

The MoD admitted breaching prohibition on torture laws in the cases of all nine men.

The nine -- taken into custody as alleged insurgents -- were held in stress positions and deprived of sleep for about two days in extreme heat at a British army barracks near the southern Iraqi city of Basra in September 2003, prosecutors told a British military court.

Mousa, a 26-year-old hotel receptionist, died from asphyxia after soldiers restrained him following an escape attempt.

One soldier, Cpl. Donald Payne, 35, was convicted of inhumane treatment in that case, making him the first British soldier to plead guilty to a war crime under international law.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html

[LoZz]

well, atlest they are doing the right thing, and soilders and being pushished and people are getting compesation. i mean it shouldnt of even happened in the first place! but atlest they are making the right choices now.

i thought they admiited to this AGES ago, or am i thinking of another event?

[Erebus Pasha]

Like Lozz said it looks like the right things are being done now.

Were the nine men arrested actually insurgents?

[Serious Spamurai]

Like Lozz said it looks like the right things are being done now.

Were the nine men arrested actually insurgents?

I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they joined now.

[Carach]

I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they joined now.

SS knew the people that were detained of course....

[Heinz Guderian]

we messed up. hopefully it will never happen again. condolensces and apologies to the families involved and compensation obviously. we're righting the wrong.

[MyNameIsGreat]

How was that anti-American insult relevant? (OP)

Kudos for diverting attention away from the REAL issue and making this into a "bash America" thread. You're a regular Ahmadinejad.

[Serious Spamurai]

SS knew the people that were detained of course....

Indeed, one of them was my brother, one of them was my cousin, the other 7 were close friends....

Or perhaps the testimony of many former detainees who were not insurgents who were tortured then set free might influence my opinion.

[Carach]

Indeed, one of them was my brother, one of them was my cousin, the other 7 were close friends....

Or perhaps the testimony of many former detainees who were not insurgents who were tortured then set free might influence my opinion.

Your post drowns me in evidence and sources...

[King Edward III]

They do it differently in USA. Either destory the evidence (video tapes) or try to prove that torture is not torture and they approve it.

[Carach]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html

They do it differently in USA. Either destory the evidence (video tapes) or try to prove that torture is not torture and they approve it.

yea because what we did was toooooooooootally different to dragging around naked guys and making human pyramids of them and the countless other things ur lads did to dozens (at least) of prisoners. Trying to even put them in the same league is stupid.

what they did is basically what the sas and other special groups train to endure, was a bit unlucky that one of them died really.

[s.rwitt]

They do it differently in USA. Either destory the evidence (video tapes) or try to prove that torture is not torture and they approve it.

Or, you know, convict those responsible and sentence them to prison. But what ever, don't let me get in the way of you creating yet ANOTHER thread to bash the US using a story that has nothing to do with it.

Great thread, Moderator.

[King Edward III]

Or, you know, convict those responsible and sentence them to prison. But what ever, don't let me get in the way of you creating yet ANOTHER thread to bash the US using a story that has nothing to do with it.

Great thread, Moderator.

Oh come on.. aren't Americans allowed to bash their own country now?

[mrmouth]

Great thread, Moderator.

Seriously, the senior mods need to take out the trash. Unbelievable this guy is a mod. I used my vote, but apparently people like him...go figure.

[HorseArcher]

Or, you know, convict those responsible and sentence them to prison. But what ever, don't let me get in the way of you creating yet ANOTHER thread to bash the US using a story that has nothing to do with it.

Great thread, Moderator.

You know what "Bashing America" is? Do you know what is the most Un-American I have ever heard of?

Allowing, approving and encouraging torture. Completely Un-American.

And don't ever question my loyalties, based on a completely un-american behavior such as torture. I am loyal to the USA, and completely despise the Bush politics with his entire agenda, based on what policies he has brought in the past 7 years.

And no. I will not agree always with what the US government is doing, and neither should anyone and not agreeing with questionable policies (such as allowing torture) is not "America bashing". It's torture bashing.
Allowing torture is America-Bashing.

[danzig]

You know what "Bashing America" is? Do you know what is the most Un-American I have ever heard of?

Allowing, approving and encouraging torture. Completely Un-American.

And don't ever question my loyalties, based on a completely un-american behavior such as torture. I am loyal to the USA, and completely despise the Bush politics with his entire agenda, based on what policies he has brought in the past 7 years.

And no. I will not agree always with what the US government is doing, and neither should anyone and not agreeing with questionable policies (such as allowing torture) is not "America bashing". It's torture bashing.
Allowing torture is America-Bashing.

The point mr junior monitor is you derailed your own thread by bringing the issue up at all in your original post which is about Brits torture. You effectively killed any attempt to discuss the actual article as shown by 4 pages of posts most of which have nothing to DO with the article. It was completely out of place.

[MyNameIsGreat]

You know what "Bashing America" is? Do you know what is the most Un-American I have ever heard of?

Allowing, approving and encouraging torture. Completely Un-American.

And don't ever question my loyalties, based on a completely un-american behavior such as torture. I am loyal to the USA, and completely despise the Bush politics with his entire agenda, based on what policies he has brought in the past 7 years.

And no. I will not agree always with what the US government is doing, and neither should anyone and not agreeing with questionable policies (such as allowing torture) is not "America bashing". It's torture bashing.
Allowing torture is America-Bashing.

It was still COMPLETELY irrelevant to the story of UK SOLDIERS torturing people. Don't you see a problem with a thread about UK torture being COMPLETELY about America now? How does that happen?

Edit- Sorry to moderator above, I didn't see your post before replying to this.

[Heinz Guderian]

(previous few posts): Perhaps it was a comparison between the Pentagon's and the MoD's view of torture?

More on topic, i read that the corporal in question has pleaded guilty to war crimes charges. This is new territory ( I remember discussing with the MWNM about updating the Geneva Convention and remit for soldiers), does anyone with a knowledge of such procedures know what will become of him?

Some of my friends in the army think he may get a long stretch (due to "unco-operative" behaviour but ofset by the guilty plea).

[Erebus Pasha]

Obviously not

[King Edward III]

Obviously not

ANTI-AMERICANISM! Delete your account on the way out, please.