Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

[Ó Cathasaigh]

I came across the website for this upcoming documentary by Ben Stein. While I couldn't find out what theaters it would be going to, I'm excited about this and it looks like a great film.
If Michael Moore can get a good audiance, I'm sure Ben Stein can.


Not sure if this is in the right subforum, move if need be.

[chriscase]

At first I thought it was going to be a parody, but it looks like he is actually serious. I guess even Ben Stein can bomb.

[Gwendylyn]

I know previews of it already have been shown in select theatre(s).

From the sound of it from reviewers, it is extremely typical creationist propaganda.

[Burnum]

It should be.

Creationism: No Intelligence Allowed

[Talbaz]

maybe the intelligent design crowd is trying for a An Inconvenient Truth type movie

all well to bad Intelligent design isn't good science and fails miserably sorry these people that try to pelt this garbage should be run out. should join the Earth is flat and the Growing earth theory in the garbage dump

The theory of Evolution is not the end all, when "Actully" Evidence of some divine creator comes out or some "Extraterrestrial" being having made humans or DNA you will see a big change in the scientific community

on a final note

"Evolutionists change the theory to fit the evidence
Intelligent designists change the evidence to fit the theory"

[MasterAdnin]

Got this off of IMDb:

I got tickets to an advanced screening in Boston and showed up really not expecting anything or knowing much on the subject except 'Isn't Ben Stein that guy with the game show and does the visine commercials' This documentary is about the debate within the scientific community, or lack thereof, between Intelligent Design and Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Professors and journalists are interviewed who have lost there jobs for even the mention of ID with Ben Stein as our host to this all. That is the spring board from where the movie starts, from there it delves deeper into the underlying meaning and reasoning behind why people support or condemn each in an intelligent way.

What got me was how he showed both sides of the argument and was not afraid to track down people who supported and denounced each side. And not only scientists. Everyone was given a fair voice unlike some other over rated documentarians who give you their own agenda.

If you want something intelligent instead of the recycled garbage Hollywood cranks out, give this movie a watch.

Sounds pretty good and worth the watch.

Salaam,
Adnan

[wilting]

There's a bit of hubub going on about PZ Myers being expelled from a screening of the film, but Richard Dawkins (who was with him) being allowed in. Quite funny, ironic etc.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/20...ins_sainth.php

The accounts I've read of the film suggest it spends an awful lot of time arguing evolution is responsible for the holocaust rather than its' suppossed purpose.

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

There's a bit of hubub going on about PZ Myers being expelled from a screening of the film, but Richard Dawkins (who was with him) being allowed in. Quite funny, ironic etc.

Indeed. Dawkins' account of Myers' expulsion from the screening and his scathing review of the film can be found in his article "Lying for Jesus?". It sounds like the usual clumsy Creationist nonsense.

[Dayman]

It looks like a poorly made, boring, and inaccurate cash in on creationism.

It's being trashed by the way.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

At first I thought it was going to be a parody, but it looks like he is actually serious. I guess even Ben Stein can bomb.

blah blah blah

From the sound of it from reviewers, it is extremely typical creationist propaganda.

Yadda yadda yadda, PROPAGANDA!

It should be.

Yank Yank Cartoon!

maybe the intelligent design crowd is trying for a An Inconvenient Truth type movie

all well to bad Intelligent design isn't good science and fails miserably sorry these people that try to pelt this garbage should be run out. should join the Earth is flat and the Growing earth theory in the garbage dump

The theory of Evolution is not the end all, when "Actully" Evidence of some divine creator comes out or some "Extraterrestrial" being having made humans or DNA you will see a big change in the scientific community

on a final note

"Evolutionists change the theory to fit the evidence
Intelligent designists change the evidence to fit the theory"

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There's a bit of hubub going on about PZ Myers being expelled from a screening of the film, but Richard Dawkins (who was with him) being allowed in. Quite funny, ironic etc.

A private screening, neither of them being invited to it.

Indeed. Dawkins' account of Myers' expulsion from the screening and his scathing review of the film can be found in his article "Lying for Jesus?". It sounds like the usual clumsy Creationist nonsense.

rabble rabble slurp slurp Dawkins penis slurp.

It looks like a poorly made, boring, and inaccurate cash in on creationism.

It's being trashed by the way.

whine whine whine whine.


Does anyone else see how hilarious you are all being? The entire point of the film is that scientists who question Darwinism, and poke around beyond it aren't allowed to do so and are immediately lampooned by people with your mindset, which would of course be "closed minded". What do you do when you see a TRAILOR for a documentary, before seeing it and analyzing what you've been shown? You piss and moan about how bad it's going to be. You say it's full of bad science and propaganda, again without seeing it, and you have a pre-invisioned conclusion in your mind. You guys are serious? One might call you the Catholic Church of the 21st century. You've become what you hate. IRONIC isn't it.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

rabble rabble slurp slurp Dawkins penis slurp

Charming. What would your Jesus think of that little outburst Hicks? Very Christian ...

You say it's full of bad science and propaganda, again without seeing it, and you have a pre-invisioned conclusion in your mind.

It's about Creationism Hicks. I don't need to see this little film to know Creationism is bad science. Anyone with a high school grasp of biology and a bit of critical reasoning can see that.

And all I and everyone else on this thread said was that it sounds like crap, based on the reviews. The idea that Creationists are being excluded from academia because of some nasty conspiracy by dreadful wicked atheists is clearly nonsense. They are excluded because their fundie theology with a thin veneer of pseudo scientific jargon is not science. End of story.

As someone in the audience at the screening from which PZ Myers was expelled pointed out, this conspiracy theory is like claiming that poor "Stork Theorists" are being wrongfully excluded from science faculties by wicked Sex Theorists because of their radical scientific theory about where babies come from.

[chriscase]

blah blah blah

All I said was that the trailer was boring crap. Totally unfunny. I don't watch Ben Stein to learn science. I watch him to be entertained. And if the trailer is any indication, this movie totally bombs.

Remember this? Those kids' facial expressions are a pretty good approximation of me watching this movie trailer. What drek.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Creationism is much of science as the Easter Bunny. It would be like if they started too teach Eugenics in biology or Flood geology.

Ironically the subject matter is not Creationism at all. So, your musings on it aren't needed nor wanted. It's about the freedom to research things that don't go along with Darwinism. How else do we gain more knowledge on it if we cannot research it without getting "black listed"?

creationist propaganda.

A. Not about creationism
B. Don't knock it till you've seen it. It's kind of weird that someone would call it Propaganda without having seen it.

Although pissing off Dawkins gets them some good marks in my book.

It's the icing on the cake for me. I'm all for freedom and that stuff, but watching Dawkins have a hissy fit is just pure gold. That pompous douche is too arrogant for his own good.

Certainly, "No Intelligence" allowed fits perfectly to the description of this documentary.

tehe you made a funny, and an oh so clever one at that.

Come on, stop playing the victims, fundies ! If your "theory" is just worse than garbage, then we can't accept it !

The issue is not a theory...the issue is being able to create theories without being targeted. Is this unreasonable?

He has a terrible voice to listen too...
So whiny :/

This is your best shot at the Doc? Oh, I suppose that means what's going to be in it is all lies and bad science then, based on the scientific analysis you give the narrator.

I mean, of all the creationists out there you pick the most monotone voice in the world to narrate your movie.

Hell they could of got Chuck Norris.

He's very popular and has a pretty good resume. Plus he's no dumby.

Why did you have to mention Chuck Norris? You just unleashed a torrent of jokes that got old 2 years ago. I'm sure even Jr. high students find them lame and pointless now. Not to mention the entire Chuck Norris joke fad was full of recycled Bill Brasky jokes anyway. On the subject, Bill Brasky could kick Chuck Norris's ass anyday of the week.

All I said was that the trailer was boring crap. Totally unfunny. I don't watch Ben Stein to learn science. I watch him to be entertained. And if the trailer is any indication, this movie totally bombs.

Documentaries aren't generaly made to make you giggle. I'm sorry you thought you'd be in for a comedy in the ETHICS section of TWC.

Remember this? Those kids' facial expressions are a pretty good approximation of me watching this movie trailer. What drek.

Yes, by far the best part of the movie. Let me ask you this though, if documentaries that don't have clowns, lazers, and stand up comedy don't interest you what are you doing in this subforum?

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

Ironically the subject matter is not Creationism at all.

Garbage. Stop trying to pretend that ID and Creationism have nothing to do with each other. ID is simply a Creationist PR strategy.

[chriscase]

Documentaries aren't generaly made to make you giggle. I'm sorry you thought you'd be in for a comedy in the ETHICS section of TWC.

Yes, by far the best part of the movie. Let me ask you this though, if documentaries that don't have clowns, lazers, and stand up comedy don't interest you what are you doing in this subforum?

Oh, sometimes they do.

But as I said earlier, Ben Stein's forte is comedy. He should stick to what he's good at. And I would venture to say that what's ironic in this situation is that Ben Stein has become precisely the kind of monotonous, mind-numbing blowhard that his earlier performances lampoon so well.

As far as your pretensions to debate go, a brief perusal of this thread shows how "serious" your commitment is - if only hostility could be substituted for argument.

[Asevias Black]

blah blah blah
Does anyone else see how hilarious you are all being? The entire point of the film is that scientists who question Darwinism, and poke around beyond it aren't allowed to do so and are immediately lampooned by people with your mindset, which would of course be "closed minded". What do you do when you see a TRAILOR for a documentary, before seeing it and analyzing what you've been shown? You piss and moan about how bad it's going to be. You say it's full of bad science and propaganda, again without seeing it, and you have a pre-invisioned conclusion in your mind. You guys are serious? One might call you the Catholic Church of the 21st century. You've become what you hate. IRONIC isn't it.

/agree

[Dayman]

Does anyone else see how hilarious you are all being? The entire point of the film is that scientists who question Darwinism, and poke around beyond it aren't allowed to do so and are immediately lampooned by people with your mindset, which would of course be "closed minded".

I'll find it, those accounts, apparently, are all fabricated/exaggerated.

ou say it's full of bad science, again without seeing it, and you have a pre-invisioned conclusion in your mind.

Um, anything involving creationism is generally poor science.

I will not make a final judgment on it until I do see it, but my expectations are not high.

A private screening, neither of them being invited to it.

No, it was a public screening, requiring an internet signup. Both did so.

Oh, and you show the epitome of maturity in your post, Hicks.

I wouldn't dare be so disrespectful to my creationist friends.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

I'll find it, those accounts, apparently, are all fabricated/exaggerated.

What are you talking about?

Um, anything involving creationism is generally poor science.

According to your own research?

I will not make a final judgment on it until I do see it, but my expectations are not high.

That's all I ask.

No, it was a public screening, requiring an internet signup. Both did so.

But enough about the film – the real highlight of the evening occurred after the showing, during the Q&A. Mathis led this discussion, and the second question was asked by a surprise member of the audience: Richard Dawkins, author of “The God Delusion,” and arguably the biggest name in the movie other than Mr. Ben Stein himself. As this screening was by invitation only, Dawkins appearance was quite a surprise to both the audience and Mathis.

Oh, and you show the epitome of maturity in your post, Hicks.

No.

I wouldn't dare be so disrespectful to my creationist friends.

Thou wouldst never dream of breaking protocol? For shame! This Hicks is so scandalous with his biting comments.

Charming. What would your Jesus think of that little outburst Hicks? Very Christian ...

I think my "outburst" is the least of Jesus' worries about me. Plus, I'm pretty sure to be Christian is not to be Christ. But, hey, what do I know.

It's about Creationism Hicks.

WOOP. I read no further after this. Why? Because that's not what it's about. It's about Intelligent design to some extent, but it's also about the treatment of scientists who dare question the status quo in regards to it.

[ThiudareiksGunthigg]

According to your own research?

No, according to any definition of what is and isn't science.

"But enough about the film – the real highlight of the evening occurred after the showing, during the Q&A. Mathis led this discussion, and the second question was asked by a surprise member of the audience: Richard Dawkins, author of “The God Delusion,” and arguably the biggest name in the movie other than Mr. Ben Stein himself. As this screening was by invitation only, Dawkins appearance was quite a surprise to both the audience and Mathis ."

This is nonsense. From Dawkins' article:

"In a desperate effort to scrape some of the egg off their faces, the creationist wingnuts are spinning the story to make it look as though PZ and I were 'gatecrashers'. The ill-named 'Discovery' Institute heads its web article, "Richard Dawkins, World Famous Darwinist, Stoops to Gate-crashing Expelled." The article says that I "apparently acknowledged that I was not invited". Mark Mathis himself said something similar about PZ in the Q & A after the showing, when I publicly challenged him to explain why he had expelled him, claiming that this performance was by invitation only, and PZ had not been invited. But, as many commentators have pointed out, this was most certainly not an invitation-only affair. The way to get into this showing of the film was simply to go on the Internet and apply. This was exactly what PZ did. He went on the Web and put his name down for a place at the showing, just like everybody else, including several others from the American Atheists annual conference in Minneapolis. Not a man to hide behind a false name or false beard, PZ openly sported his own. Like many other people, including his daughter and Kristine Harley (see her Amused Muse website), PZ took advantage of the generous offer to let him book guests in as well, and then kindly invited me to be one of them. There was no request to give the names of guests, and no machinery to do so, which was why my name did not appear on the list."

The screening was not "invitation only".

WOOP. I read no further after this. Why? Because that's not what it's about. It's about Intelligent design to some extent, but it's also about the treatment of scientists who dare question the status quo in regards to it.

So-called "Intelligent Design" is just Creationism in a bad suit. The ID Discovery Institute's infamous "Wedge Document" admitted that ID was simply a slippery way to try to get Creationism around the separation of Church and State.

[Dayman]

Thou wouldst never dream of breaking protocol? For shame! This Hicks is so scandalous with his biting comments.

No, you're just being belligerent. You except to win people over to your side. But I guess a burly man such as yourself can win arguments by himself just by yelling.

No.

Yes, this is from the mouth of Dawkins himself who did it.