Yet again the Catholic Church interferes in British government

[removeduser_487563287433]

I am getting increasingly infuriated with the Catholic Church's unwillingness to stay the hell out of politics. It was not so long ago we had an unhelpfully retarded Cardinal telling Catholics to vote for pro-choice politicans. This is a secular democracy, not some pissy little Central American banana Republic where you can convince the majority of people to believe in retarded things like chupacabra and Jesus.

What I am refering to is a bill soon to be voted upon by the House of Commons that will allow scientists to create human-animal hybrid embryos that will hopefully go a long way to defeating diseases such as Parkinson's. The bill enjoys broad support, not only from the government and Labour, but also the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.

And here come the village witch doctors, hoping to kick up a hurricane of piss. They are calling for the government to allow the Labour Party to have a free vote on the bill. For those of you that don't know the proceedure - a party will sometimes give its MP a "three-line whip" that means that the MP must attend the vote and he must vote on the party line. Now - the thing is the catholic church is truly doing nothing more than causing political conflict, because this bill enjoys such cross party support that even with a free vote it is going to pass. This bill might as well be titled, "Do you want it to be Britain that makes these discoveries and saves uncounted millions of lives or not?"

The church's stance is essentially, "lol Jesus wants you to die lol."

So what do you do when something enjoys broad support, even though the bill has had three years of public consultation and the most scrutiny of any bill in the history of British government? Why, you make some propaganda of course. Cardinal Keith O'Brian (yes, that idiotic shite again) shamefully exploited the occaision of Easter Sunday to make a political attack on the embryo bill.

Of course, he was lying through his teeth about it. As the foremost expert on embryology in the world would like to explain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7310918.stm

Summary: off interfering with government you obsolete little shamen.

[MagyarMatt]

I am getting increasingly infuriated with the Catholic Church's unwillingness to stay the hell out of politics. It was not so long ago we had an unhelpfully retarded Cardinal telling Catholics to vote for pro-choice politicans. This is a secular democracy, not some pissy little Central American banana Republic where you can convince the majority of people to believe in retarded things like chupacabra and Jesus.

What I am refering to is a bill soon to be voted upon by the House of Commons that will allow scientists to create human-animal hybrid embryos that will hopefully go a long way to defeating diseases such as Parkinson's. The bill enjoys broad support, not only from the government and Labour, but also the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.

And here come the village witch doctors, hoping to kick up a hurricane of piss. They are calling for the government to allow the Labour Party to have a free vote on the bill. For those of you that don't know the proceedure - a party will sometimes give its MP a "three-line whip" that means that the MP must attend the vote and he must vote on the party line. Now - the thing is the catholic church is truly doing nothing more than causing political conflict, because this bill enjoys such cross party support that even with a free vote it is going to pass. This bill might as well be titled, "Do you want it to be Britain that makes these discoveries and saves uncounted millions of lives or not?"

The church's stance is essentially, "lol Jesus wants you to die lol."

So what do you do when something enjoys broad support, even though the bill has had three years of public consultation and the most scrutiny of any bill in the history of British government? Why, you make some propaganda of course. Cardinal Keith O'Brian (yes, that idiotic shite again) shamefully exploited the occaision of Easter Sunday to make a political attack on the embryo bill.

Of course, he was lying through his teeth about it. As the foremost expert on embryology in the world would like to explain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7310918.stm

Summary: off interfering with government you obsolete little shamen.

Even if the Catholic Church stays out of politics. Catholics will by the majority vote according to their beliefs. The same goes for any religion for that matter. Some Cardinal wading into the debate is going to have little impact on the overall outcome.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Even if the Catholic Church stays out of politics. Catholics will by the majority vote according to their beliefs. The same goes for any religion for that matter. Some Cardinal wading into the debate is going to have little impact on the overall outcome.

Yes and when he lies about something catholics establish their beliefs on falsehoods. (I know that's sort of their thing, but still).

[Kiljan Arslan]

Why can't he say his political beliefs, I mean there is such a thing of toleration of beliefs in theory isn't there (or is that only for Dawkins?)

[removeduser_487563287433]

Why can't he say his political beliefs, I mean there is such a thing of toleration of beliefs in theory isn't there (or is that only for Dawkins?)

They can express their political beliefs. They cannot pressure the government to have free votes, or anything else. They cannot mislead their congregation with propaganda and lies over something they wish to quash out of sheer tribal superstition.

[Torment]

That's what you get for letting all those Poles in. Now those childmolesters have reason to believe they matter again.

I'm glad this idiocy is contained within several churches in my country, mostly empty ones. But I've got patience. One or two more generations and dogmatic nonsense such as this will officially belong to the history books in Europe.

[Yorkshireman]

Labour MP Steven Pound states "We seem to be moving into a sphere where we are actually taking on the role of the creation of life".

I suppose then if any of his close friends or family are involved in a car crash or come down with a serious disease he'd let them die, rather than have doctors interfer with the sanctity of life?

Hard to believe that supposedly intelligent people are still capable of such medieval sentiments.

[King Edward III]

...where you can convince the majority of people to believe in retarded things like chupacabra and Jesus.

No need to call peoples religious beliefs "retarded" Ferrets.

[PooFoo]

Not the best to call peoples religious beliefs "retarded" Ferrets.

Agreed. Wasn't expecting such a bigoted post.

[HorseArcher]

In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.
-George Orwell

[Tankbuster]

Can't say I'm surprised.
(Unfortunately)

[removeduser_487563287433]

No need to call peoples religious beliefs "retarded" Ferrets.

Why not? Why does it get special treatment just because it's religion?

Agreed. Wasn't expecting such a bigoted post.

I'm not bigoted against catholics. I will just speak out when their mythology intervenes in politics and results in killing people.

[King Edward III]

Why not? Why does it get special treatment just because it's religion?

No I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that they'res no need to insult peoples religious beliefs. Constructive criticism, sure, mindless name calling, no.

And no, I'm not religious myself.

[removeduser_487563287433]

No I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that they'res no need to insult peoples religious beliefs. Constructive criticism, sure, mindless name calling, no.

And no, I'm not religious myself.

It's mythology. Why dignify it more or less than that.

[King Edward III]

It's mythology. Why dignify it more or less than that.

I take it you know someone who may benefit from this research?

[Shaun]

This is exactly why religion and politics do not mix.

[Last Roman]

This is exactly why religion and politics do not mix.

well, for thousands of years, that wasn't true.

but if you mean now a' days, then yes.

[Shaun]

well, for thousands of years, that wasn't true.

but if you mean now a' days, then yes.

When religion and politics were joined, they also enjoyed for poorer standards of living and far more injustice.

[Last Roman]

When religion and politics were joined, they also enjoyed for poorer standards of living and far more injustice.

circumstance does not imply causation ie that is hardly the fault of religion (or at least religion alone)

[Denny Crane!]

circumstance does not imply causation ie that is hardly the fault of religion (or at least religion alone)

Not alone but denying its part in history is wrong. Attributing it as a major factor and influence is correct.