Choose your faction Heir

[Ruprecht]

In my current campaign as england i am paying close attention to my family tree, and keeping it as pure as possible.

I'm currently in turn 53, and have adopted only one general, I married off my princess to one of the HRE's finest general's. and they are happy and have blessed the empire with 3 little brats.

My faction heir was married to HRE's princess, and they brought 4 little brats into the world. [Nice going Rufus] and is now faction leader btw.

Now with king Rufus as faction leader the new heir is a 51 year old bum who iv'e never seen before, and tends to sit around the castle all day, he has not alot going for him.

Well king Rufus is getting quite old now he is 53 and has trouble puting on his own pants, so i keep him in the confines of the city walls with his lovely Germanic wife Agnes the beautifull. she is hot !!

So logic dictates when Rufus kicks the bucket i will have un-married 58 year old vagrant that smells like stale potatoes and wine in command of the empire. [Not going to happen]

Marching in the front lines of my most powerfull legion is Henry The Honourable, my most prized general ever to grace england's armed forces. This young studmuffin is 39 years old and is a great asset to england and its people, clearly deserving of the crown. He has played a major part in the demise of France totally devistating their armies and showing great honour in doing so.

Get to the bloody point i hear you say ....

Fair enough, so i thought this article might be of some use to people who take thier family tree seriously and would like to choose their faction heirs as the emperor has every right to do so.

Well i just tried changing them with giving the traits as follows :

Henry The Honourable : give_trait this Factionheir 1

Prince robert : give_trait this Exheir 1

But Robert still became faction leader,Although Henry did become prince.
But even so you could just kill the default Heir after giving the [give_trait this Factionheir 1 ] to your desired heir. This really needs more testing.

So i am wondering is there someone with extensive knowledge about the game files that could show me how to edit the appropriate data to make this
actually work ?

[Sharpe116]

im a little confused? as far as i knew you could go into the family tree menu and select your faction heir no problem, theres no need for the give traits?

[White Lotus]

im a little confused? as far as i knew you could go into the family tree menu and select your faction heir no problem, theres no need for the give traits?

No, in M2TW you cannot select your faction heir through the family tree.

@Ruprecht: The faction heir is not decided by the heir trait, but by some hardcoded...thing. It is not possible to switch heirs simply by removing the trait, which is only there to give an extra bonus to the heir, and to easily display his heirness.

[Theseus1234]

well if you think about it in historical feudalistic monarchy, the first son would forever be the heir, unless he died
since you play god, you can do several things to kill off a bad heir, i.e. sailing off to pirate-infested waters or leading a desperate one man charge against hundreds of spears etc...

[Omnipotent-Q]

Don't bother with the trait thing. Simply get the unwanted family member and have him go on Rambo mission on his own against a tough enemy army, or some rebels hanging around.

Make sure you are in command of the battle to be sure your faction heir doesn't escape the slaughter. Lack of armies? Then sacrifice some weak ships to get rid of him.

[SonOfThunder]

Haha, that's the thing to do...my king's gonna die before his son is of age, so a general will have to become king, but as soon as the son is of age...off goes the temp king into the sunset.

[Ruprecht]

No, in M2TW you cannot select your faction heir through the family tree.

@Ruprecht: The faction heir is not decided by the heir trait, but by some hardcoded...thing. It is not possible to switch heirs simply by removing the trait, which is only there to give an extra bonus to the heir, and to easily display his heirness.

I came to this conclusion after my failed attempt at giving the traits to them, that's why i asked if anyone knew how to edit the game data to work around this.

well if you think about it in historical feudalistic monarchy, the first son would forever be the heir, unless he died
since you play god, you can do several things to kill off a bad heir, i.e. sailing off to pirate-infested waters or leading a desperate one man charge against hundreds of spears etc...

Let's say you do kill your current faction heir, it still selects another automatically and not of your choice, thats the whole reason i want to manually select them. That way i don't have to kill the majority of my general's to get the desired outcome.

I did some playing around with it and killed the faction leader, wham straight into a 1000 + army of Roman's at 6x [ He killed 175 of them lol] and Robert became king. but here's the weird part i did this 3 times exactly the same way each time, and guess what it picked 2 different princes out of 3 times.

So i have learnt it randomly picks the prince.

Don't bother with the trait thing. Simply get the unwanted family member and have him go on Rambo mission on his own against a tough enemy army, or some rebels hanging around.

Make sure you are in command of the battle to be sure your faction heir doesn't escape the slaughter. Lack of armies? Then sacrifice some weak ships to get rid of him.

Yeah, i'm quite adept at killing my own people, but not the way you describe


Cheers.

[Mauzeer]

IMHO who is faction leader doesn't change things much

[Ruprecht]

IMHO who is faction leader doesn't change things much

Hey,


It's more of a role playing experience than actuall benefits of having a certain character as faction leader/heir that i want out of this.

[Kaiserjagen]

Yeah the role playing factor makes you wish you could hand pick them yourselves. I often want faction leaders who simply have cool names and continue the dynasty.

I like to keep the dynasty steady, the way the game changes heirs is a annoying.

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

In my current campaign as england i am paying close attention to my family tree, and keeping it as pure as possible.


So i am wondering is there someone with extensive knowledge about the game files that could show me how to edit the appropriate data to make this
actually work ?

This whole medieval era wasn't about "keeping it pure", a lot of kings and lords were named after their odd habits / strange looks. If you "keep it pure" you actually miss one of the greatest fun in the game.

Otherwise you can also kill the fun by editing your saved games. If you really wanna have great family members and generals, do stuff that makes them better persons, like winning battles and wars, governing a well-developed province, etc.

[Samir]

you can keep your faction heir within the family

you have to be ready to occasional sacrifice a family member but in general its easy.

basics:
the game always takes the first male of age (15+) in direct line of the king if available, OR if not available the first male depending on the entry date (regardless of family connection or age) into the family tree.

so if you dont adopt or marry anyone into your family tree until your PRINCE son gets 15 he will be the next prince as soon as the KING dies. regardless of the prince´s brothers adoption, etc...

If you have a King a Prince heir and this heir has a son of age you have a direct line that cant be broken. as soon as the Heir becomes king and his son the heir, stop adoptions, marry him and get a son and this son to 15.

In general it helps a lot to recruit generals, but dont adopt them into your family. Mods that have recruitable generals help a lot on that as the generals have a job to do without any interference with the royal families love life

[caralampio]

you can keep your faction heir within the family

you have to be ready to occasional sacrifice a family member but in general its easy.

basics:
the game always takes the first male of age (15+) in direct line of the king if available, OR if not available the first male depending on the entry date (regardless of family connection or age) into the family tree.

so if you dont adopt or marry anyone into your family tree until your PRINCE son gets 15 he will be the next prince as soon as the KING dies. regardless of the prince´s brothers adoption, etc...

If you have a King a Prince heir and this heir has a son of age you have a direct line that cant be broken. as soon as the Heir becomes king and his son the heir, stop adoptions, marry him and get a son and this son to 15.

In general it helps a lot to recruit generals, but dont adopt them into your family. Mods that have recruitable generals help a lot on that as the generals have a job to do without any interference with the royal families love life

That's great new for me at least, I like the roleplaying aspect and keeping the throne in the family no matter how ugly the heir, until now I didn't know there was even remotely a way to do it. Thanks Samir!

[Old Geezer]

I try to get a lot of adoptions so that hopefully the family with all its inherited corrupt and perverse traits dies off.

[Ruprecht]

This whole medieval era wasn't about "keeping it pure", a lot of kings and lords were named after their odd habits / strange looks. If you "keep it pure" you actually miss one of the greatest fun in the game.

Otherwise you can also kill the fun by editing your saved games. If you really wanna have great family members and generals, do stuff that makes them better persons, like winning battles and wars, governing a well-developed province, etc.

Hey, i think you may have missunderstood what i mean't about ''keeping it pure'' By that definition i mean not adopting every tom,dick and harry that wants into my family. So that my family remains ''pure'' english. and passing the crown down through the starting families line.

Also you can't have every general in your empire on the front lines winning a war, thats why only some become great and the others might be governing cities and are less deserving of the crown.

you can keep your faction heir within the family

you have to be ready to occasional sacrifice a family member but in general its easy.

basics:
the game always takes the first male of age (15+) in direct line of the king if available, OR if not available the first male depending on the entry date (regardless of family connection or age) into the family tree.

so if you dont adopt or marry anyone into your family tree until your PRINCE son gets 15 he will be the next prince as soon as the KING dies. regardless of the prince´s brothers adoption, etc...

If you have a King a Prince heir and this heir has a son of age you have a direct line that cant be broken. as soon as the Heir becomes king and his son the heir, stop adoptions, marry him and get a son and this son to 15.

In general it helps a lot to recruit generals, but dont adopt them into your family. Mods that have recruitable generals help a lot on that as the generals have a job to do without any interference with the royal families love life

Thats all good and well , and i understand what you mean, however as my title suggests i want to choose out of the family who gets heir and if there are 4 sons stemming from the king, it will pick one [automatically] governed by the criteria you just described. but that choice is not mine and i want it to be.

And when i did my test to see who would get heir by killing the faction leader 3 times consecutively it was a random selection, that became obvious as no traits changed,no ages changed, and out of 3 direct sons of the king it picked 2 different sons both times. when the circumstances were indentical.

Thanx for the feedback

[Samir]

the choose faction heir button would be nice of course.

but I dont think its random IF the circumstances are like I described it above. King, Prince and a prince´s son already of age.

[Teastain]

hmm looking at the OP this could be quite useful.

If you give the person you would like after the prince the factionheir 1 trait you could plan it out in advance

[Ruprecht]

hmm looking at the OP this could be quite useful.

If you give the person you would like after the prince the factionheir 1 trait you could plan it out in advance

Yeah man, your'e dead right. What happened is when i gave those traits to the current prince : Exheir and to the family member i wanted to be Heir : Factionheir 1 , It diden't work becuase there was already a current Heir in the equation.

After further testing if i were to give Factionheir 1 to my desired family member/general after the current heir dies/becomes faction leader, he does infact get Heir title.

However this could be pure coinsidence, but atleast i know now that the trait : Exheir , is useless. so if you want a certain character to become prince they will do so after the current prince dies/becomes faction leader.

will test this further as my campaign progresses, i'm currently on turn 96, i know im slow. i took 4 hours to make 3 turns yesterday...

[Archus]

Yeah man, your'e dead right. What happened is when i gave those traits to the current prince : Exheir and to the family member i wanted to be Heir : Factionheir 1 , It diden't work becuase there was already a current Heir in the equation.

After further testing if i were to give Factionheir 1 to my desired family member/general after the current heir dies/becomes faction leader, he does infact get Heir title.

However this could be pure coinsidence, but atleast i know now that the trait : Exheir , is useless. so if you want a certain character to become prince they will do so after the current prince dies/becomes faction leader.

will test this further as my campaign progresses, i'm currently on turn 96, i know im slow. i took 4 hours to make 3 turns yesterday...

4 hours???!!!! I can take about 20 mins maximum and thats when I own most of europe.

[Don in the North]

is there a way to script in that command to a button on the userface? like the merc tab or bring up the advisor and use voice/text toggle or w/e?