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    Yeah, yeah, it's the Daily Mail.
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    Boy, 15, nailed to a cross as Filipinos whip and crucify themselves in gory Good Friday ritual
    By RICHARD SHEARS


    Dozens of Filipinos, including the boy and an 18-year-old girl, were nailed to crosses and scores more whipped their backs into a bloody pulp as the country's devout Roman Catholics marked Good Friday.

    The voluntary crucifixions in the northern Philippines were the most extreme displays of religious devotion in this mainly Catholic country, where millions are praying and fasting ahead of the Easter weekend.

    In the small village of Cutud, about 80 km (50 miles) north of Manila, men cried out as nails the size of pencils were driven into their hands and feet before they were hoisted up in the scorching heat. Nineteen were to go through the process.


    But government health and safety officials were keeping their eye on proceedings, after health minister Francisco Duque told those planning to be crucified to ensure they have a tetanus jab and use sterilised nails.

    Never mind the clear dangers to your health of crucifixion, so long as the danger of infection is safely reduced.

    Thousands watched the spectacle in Cutud, which has grown from a village production started in 1962 to a media and tourist attraction copied in other parts of the country.

    For hours before the crucifixions lines of men, hooded and half naked, flayed their backs with bamboo whips and paddles tipped with broken glass. Blood splattered over the road.

    The atmosphere was festive, with hawkers selling beer, ice-cream and souvenir whips. VIPs watched from a specially elevated "viewing platform".

    Already up to 20 have taken part in the crucifixion today


    The country's dominant Catholic Church disapproves of the crucifixions and flagellations as a misrepresentation of the faith.

    "The spiritual dimension is totally lost, and it's entered into only because of some shows, some manifestations for other people to be satisfied with or to see," said Bishop Deogracias Iniguez.

    "Many of these penitents, those who are practicing these physical afflictions have a meagre, have a shallow understanding of these practices."

    Some foreigners have previously been crucified including a Belgian nun and a Japanese man, who later allowed footage of his ordeal to be used in a pornographic film. No one has ever died during the rituals.

    Over 80 per cent of the Philippines' estimated 90 million population are Catholic and across the archipelago this weekend will be a time for church ritual, family and the beach.

    Filipinos infuse their Catholic faith with local superstitions and some people avoid taking a shower or doing laundry after 3 p.m. (0700 GMT) on Good Friday - the time Chrst was believed to have died - for fear of bad luck.

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    Ah, the effects of faith.
    The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days...

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    He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman View Post
    Ah, the effects of faith.
    Don't tell me you honestly think that if they were Atheist they would be any better off? These people are fanatical, they are foolish. No matter what faith [or lack thereof] they followed, I doubt their lives would be uh... for the lack of a better word, normal?
    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    It all has to do with the level of education and prosperity. For example there is a huge difference between the mentality of Muslims in Iran or Egypt and Muslims in UAE or Qatar.
    Agreed for the most part. I have to think though, it has more to do with the education and prosperity of the people. Not the person. As in, if the society itself is prosperous, there will be less fanatics. Even in the upper echelons in poor nations they take faith to another level. My dad is dating a Filipino, she comes from a relatively wealthy family. Went to University, as did her whole family. Which for the Philippine's is saying something. Religious fanatic though. Doesn't matter the education, sometimes, its just the society your born into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Don't tell me you honestly think that if they were Atheist they would be any better off? These people are fanatical, they are foolish. No matter what faith [or lack thereof] they followed, I doubt their lives would be uh... for the lack of a better word, normal? Agreed for the most part. I have to think though, it has more to do with the education and prosperity of the people. Not the person. As in, if the society itself is prosperous, there will be less fanatics. Even in the upper echelons in poor nations they take faith to another level. My dad is dating a Filipino, she comes from a relatively wealthy family. Went to University, as did her whole family. Which for the Philippine's is saying something. Religious fanatic though. Doesn't matter the education, sometimes, its just the society your born into.
    Prosperity and education do not necessarily make someone liberal or secular. But they do tend to make someone more rational.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar Face View Post
    Don't tell me you honestly think that if they were Atheist they would be any better off? These people are fanatical, they are foolish. No matter what faith [or lack thereof] they followed, I doubt their lives would be uh... for the lack of a better word, normal? Agreed for the most part. I have to think though, it has more to do with the education and prosperity of the people. Not the person. As in, if the society itself is prosperous, there will be less fanatics. Even in the upper echelons in poor nations they take faith to another level. My dad is dating a Filipino, she comes from a relatively wealthy family. Went to University, as did her whole family. Which for the Philippine's is saying something. Religious fanatic though. Doesn't matter the education, sometimes, its just the society your born into.
    I think they wouldn't be nailing themselves to a cross.

    So... yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Prosperity and education do not necessarily make someone liberal or secular. But they do tend to make someone more rational.
    Not neccessarily, there is a fanatical islamic culture in the UK and there is a fanatical Christian culture in the USA (several actually)

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    As long as everyone is happy...
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    I wonder how many will be dead by tomorrow night..


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    Damn, that's hardcore

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    Amazingly people do quite well during and after their flagellations and crucifixions. Although they are scarred for life.

    Its a bit silly, I think...

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    Wow... thats stupid..


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    An instance that shows third world Christians behave differently.


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    fillipino christians are fanatics
    another eg of the colonising effects of proselytization

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    fillipino christians are fanatics
    another eg of the colonising effects of proselytization
    It all has to do with the level of education and prosperity. For example there is a huge difference between the mentality of Muslims in Iran or Egypt and Muslims in UAE or Qatar.


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    "Feminists are silent when the bills arrive." -- Aetius

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    very true

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    Well prosperity ussally dose the trick of nibbing fundies in the but theres always unfortonate cases like Saudi Arabia.

    Hey look a philipino women service as an ad.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Well prosperity ussally dose the trick of nibbing fundies in the but theres always unfortonate cases like Saudi Arabia.
    Saudis are not prosperous. Only the Saudi Royal Family and their cronies are.


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    Know they give them good government stipends.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Catholic Church does not encourage it, they say always theres always OTHER ways to show penance...........but

    people are willling to do it no matter how people discouraged it. Oh yeah those flagellations are carried by sometimes mostly formerly drunkards and slackers

    just like that bulls in streets thing

    Hell theres one guy who got crucified 21 times.......he is still doing it

    and oh yeah this is hardly news for us.........We mainstream are more of going to Boracay and that thing ah.........boracay, can smell the white sand already.......gotta hook up with one of those aussie chicks over there...NEED HELP!

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    yeah they do this every year. They put the nails through the hands to avoid bone and tendon damage and the schizophrenics that participate only hang for twenty minutes. For most they don't do the feet -- Gilbert Bargayo (the guy who has been doing it for years) gets his feet nailed and has them slice him across the chest too to mimic the spear in the side.

    It's become a yearly source of tourist revenue. The health minister advises getting tetanus shot. The Catholic Church officially condemns the practice -- although I don't think that they've excommunicated participants, which is what they should do, if they really wanted to at least put a damper on it.

    Here's Gilbert (In him, it's obvious that this ritual is tantamount to publicly sanctioned abuse of the mentally ill but I really wonder if "publicly sanctioned abuse of the mentally ill" might not be an apt definition for religion in general. **

    **EDIT -- just to be fair, I am being very provocative with this statement. I am both fully aware and fully a product of the comfort and positive aspects of religion. However, it always has that aspect of providing an excuse for people looking to do harm to themselves and/or others and the organized churches need to be more aggressive in combating it.


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    This would give you the stigmata FOR LIFE.

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