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    Online Etiquette (Prince-style)
    If you're going to play online, then you should follow some online etiquette; otherwise, what are you doing online in the first place? If you're going online just to degrade your opponents, then do us all a favor, and stay offline.

    For those of you who are here to play this game for fun or competitively, then here are some of my own personal guidelines regarding online etiquette...

    1. GREETINGS
    When you enter someone's game (or if someone enters your game), then you should greet them with a simple "hello" or something to that effect. And absolutely say "hello" if someone greets you first. Exchanging pleasantries early on could possibly dis-arm a potential trashtalker from flaming you later on in the game. It also sets the mood for a civilized contest.

    2. BE AWARE OF THE RULES FOR EACH GAME YOU HOST/JOIN
    After the initial pleasantries are exchanged, the host should tell the guest-player what the rules are. A lot of players make rules for online games like "No Elephants, No Artillery," etc. "No Corner Camping" means you can't park your Spartans (or any unit for that matter) at the corner(s) of the map which would utilize the map's boundary as a defensive barrier for your units.

    Be especially mindful of the title of a game. For example, if a title says "15,000 denarii," then don't barge in demanding that the host change the denarii level. If I were the host, I'd boot you in a heartbeat.

    I personally like to set my battles at 10,000 denarii with my own set of rules. In any case, be mindful of the rules when you enter a game. Ask the host what the rules are if he/she doesn't tell you. That way, you'll avoid messy arguments about unfair army compositions/tactics during the battle.

    One of the most popular rules would be CWB:
    Quote Originally Posted by msTubbZ View Post

    CWB:
    o No artillery
    o No elephants
    o Max 6 of same unit card
    o Max 8 medium to long ranged foot missiles (not including skirmishers or head hurlers)
    o Max 8 cavalry units/mounted units
    o Max 2 Horse Archers/chariot archers
    o Max 2 berzerkers
    o Horse archers/ chariot archers = Cavalry
    o Javlin cavalry are not regarded as horse archers but as cavalry
    3. CHANGING FACTIONS
    If you wish to change your faction (after you've already selected one), then you should kindly ask your opponent if he/she would be bothered if you switched factions.

    At the very least, you should warn your opponent if you're changing factions. Otherwise, changing from Scythia to Greece, and then back again repeatedly is extremely dishonest (especially if your opponent has already finished picking his army). In fact, if I were the host, i would simply kick you from the game if you did that.

    4. DON'T KEEP YOUR OPPONENT WAITING FOR TOO LONG (part 1)
    Don't spend an eternity on the Unit Composition screen unless you're chatting with your opponent about important stuff like Julius Caesar, girls, and other stuff like that. Seriously, some people take nearly 10 minutes on this screen, and that's totally excessive.

    5. DON'T KEEP YOUR OPPONENT WAITING FOR TOO LONG (part 2)
    Don't spend an eternity on the Deployment Screen either. On the other hand, don't be pushy either - 5 minutes on this screen is reasonable. You'll learn what an "eternity" is after you've played a few online games.

    6. PRACTICE PATIENCE
    Having said that, "Patience" is a very important virtue as well.

    7. WISH YOUR OPPONENT "GL HF" BEFORE THE BATTLE
    After you're nearly done with the Deployment Screen, then you should wish your opponent "GL HF" ("good luck, have fun"). If your opponent doesn't respond, then you can kindly inform your opponent that "T" is the button used for activating the chat feature. But if your opponent still doesn't respond, then you can assume your opponent is rude or has hostile intent. In any case, if someone says "GL HF" to you, then you should wish similar good fortune to your opponent. Always be courteous to your opponent. Again, if you choose to play online, then you should be prepared to abide by the rules of online etiquette.

    8. DON'T DRAG OUT A LOST GAME BY RUNNING AWAY
    If you've clearly lost a game, then don't drag it out by running away. It's difficult to clearly define what constitutes a "lost game," but you'll learn what one is after you've played a few online games. But let's pretend you have a Greek Cavalry squadron with only 12 horses remaining, and your opponent has 3 units of Urban Cohorts (with 70+ men each), then you clearly have no chance.

    9. LOSING WITH HONOR vs. LOSING A GAME WITH DISGRACE
    If you have lost the will to fight a battle, then use the "Admit Defeat" or "Surrender" feature. Do NOT use the "Exit the Game" feature! It is completely poor-mannered to "exit" a game without "admitting defeat." If you simply "Exit the Game," then your opponent has to sit there, and fight the remaining the units (now controlled by the AI). But if you "Admit Defeat," then the game will end for both you and your opponent. So, surrender with honor (if you want to leave a game).

    10. WINNING/LOSING A GAME WITH HONOR
    After a game is concluded by the game's announcer, say "gg" (good game) or "wp" (well-played) even though you won or lost. A sore Winner is just as bad as a sore Loser.

    11. WHEN TO SAY "GG"
    On the other hand, you should wait until the conclusion before saying "gg." It's very poor-mannered to say "gg" while the battle is still being fought (even if you're winning) unless you're about to surrender.

    12. DON'T TRASHTALK
    Don't trashtalk. Seriously, stop the online verbal abuse and/or insults. You look like a delinquent when you act like this.

    I've played many, many, many online games, and Rome: Total War has the WORST bunch of poor-mannered, trash-talking players I've ever encountered in any game I've ever played online. Just to put some perspective on this: I've played Starcraft & the Battlefield series for several years, and I can find more trashtalkers in 1 hour playing RTW as opposed to playing 1 week of Starcraft. Stop this ridiculous trend which has made Rome: Total War the worst game to play online (in regards to manners). Rome: Total War is a game of History & Military Tactics - why do fellow lovers of Military History treat each other with disdain?

    Related to this rule: don't be a poor loser/winner, and practice online etiquette.

    13. BECOME ACQUAINTED WITH SOME COMMON ONLINE TERMINOLOGY
    If you're going to be playing online, then you should be acquainted with some of the phrases & acronyms you'll see online...

    AFK = Away From Keyboard
    AI = Artificial Intelligence
    Art or Arty = Artillery
    BI = Barbarian Invasion (expansion for Rome: Total War)
    BRB - "Be Right Back"
    Cata = Cataphracts
    Comp = might refer to the AI or it might refer to Companion Cavalry
    Corner Camping = placing your unit(s) in 1 of 4 corners of the map's boundaries in a defensive manner (resulting in a position that cannot be outflanked)
    CWB = Clan War Belt (a type of rule designed for 12.5k denarii, but also used in other denarii from 10,000 - 15,000)
    Ele = Elephants
    FFS = this basically means "for [goodness] sake!"
    FTW = "For the win!"
    GCS = Greek City-States
    GG = "Good Game"
    GL HF = "Good Luck, Have Fun"
    GS = Gamespy (i.e. "GS really sucks tonight!")
    HA = Horse Archers
    IDK = "I don't know"
    j/k = "just kidding"
    micro - your ability to manage all of your troops effectively on the battlefield
    MP - Multiplayer
    m8 = mate (i.e. "hi m8")
    noob or n00b = the most commonly-used insult found online wielded by people with or without skill
    noob box or noob circle or noob square = an all-around defensive perimeter formed with spear-type units. Archers, Slingers and Artillery is usually located in the center of a noob box.
    NTW = Napoleonic Total War (a mod played mainly in the Chat Lobby)
    OMG = "oh my gawd!"
    RTW = Rome: Total War
    spam = 1. an unfair amount of a certain type of unit (i.e. 20 gold/gold Spartans). 2. scrolling the chat room so excessively that nobody can read any other message
    SS = Silver Shields (either SS Pikes or SS Legionaries)
    TY = "Thank You"
    WP = "Well-Played"
    WTF = this essentially means "What the [heck]?!"
    Zerks = Berserkers

    14. DON'T SPAM THE CHATROOM(S)
    Whether you're waiting to host/join a game, do not spam the chatroom(s). It makes you look dumb, and you'll be put on "Ignore." You'll probably also be "Blocked" from entering games.
    Last edited by Prince_of_Macedon; October 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM.
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    I agree with everything you say. Hell when i am waiting for a game that I want to join, I see a lot of people being racist at everybody. It is a terrible experience to be trashed-talked just just because you are slightly weaker than normal.
    I'M BAAAAACCCCCKKKKKKK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by supeerme View Post
    I agree with everything you say. Hell when i am waiting for a game that I want to join, I see a lot of people being racist at everybody. It is a terrible experience to be trashed-talked just just because you are slightly weaker than normal.
    Actually, skill has nothing to do with trashtalking. I end up beating about 90% of the people talking trash to me. Sure, there are some good ones, but most are just trash. If you see someone talking trash online, challenge them to a game, and see if they're really that good. 90% of the time, they're not that good.

    Even when people are losing, they'll sometimes talk trash. But most of the time, people will talk trash when they don't think they will have to answer to anyone.

    Just watch some of my videos, or read some of my AARs, or sadly enough, some of the people on this forum take part in it. It's sad to be honest. People have turned Rome: Total War into an online version of (street)-basketball.
    Last edited by Prince_of_Macedon; March 27, 2008 at 03:42 PM.
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    Default Re: Online Etiquette

    I agree with the above post but I haven't seen much of those people with no manners at the TWC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Longbowman View Post
    I agree with the above post but I haven't seen much of those people with no manners at the TWC
    Did you miss the "Duel? Post Here" thread? What about the "What Rules do you prefer thread?" :hmmm:
    Last edited by Prince_of_Macedon; March 27, 2008 at 04:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince_of_Macedon View Post
    Did you miss the "Duel? Post Here" thread? What about the "What Rules do you prefer thread?" :hmmm:
    Ok You win


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    Now those were the days. Endless spamming and harassing, completely ignoring all rational arguments, persisting in a view that is completely wrong.
    Flaming anyone who dare to go against you. Ah, good memories.
    Every time you :wub:, god kills another kitten.
    If you're gonna hire Machete to kill the bad guy, you better make damn sure the bad guy isn't YOU!

    'I understand, and I take the light into my soul. I will become the spear of Khaine. Lightning flashes, blood falls, death pierces the darkness.' , Dhrykna.

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    If I could vote I would chose Manners>Skills.

    What's the point of having skills if nobody wants to play with you because you have no manners?

    "Gafflwn Dihenydd O’r fuddugol yn wiriol sydd, Ni fydd neb yn ein drechu, Falch ydy ni I drochu, Traed o flaen I’r Annwn, mewn y gwybodaeth fe godwn ni."

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    It seems to have stopped now...

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    Trash-talkers will always come and go (even in here)...there's no stopping it
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    i agree

    Comp is for Competitive Lobby by the way


    Busy!!!

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    btw add noobie,noobinator,nap,nooblord to the word noob


    Busy!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk View Post
    btw add noobie,noobinator,nap,nooblord to the word noob
    add turk and tubbz to it too

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    Such honesty...
    Every time you :wub:, god kills another kitten.
    If you're gonna hire Machete to kill the bad guy, you better make damn sure the bad guy isn't YOU!

    'I understand, and I take the light into my soul. I will become the spear of Khaine. Lightning flashes, blood falls, death pierces the darkness.' , Dhrykna.

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    and truthfulness

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    a lot of online mods seem to be about now. Surely its ettiquette to tell your opponent prior to using one. I had a guy, name unmentioned, choose rome. His army consisted of spartans, urbans and big ass yusteb eles. I found it funny the 1st time...but now its kind of annoying and i wont play anyone who has done this. BTW, is this quite a new thing? Ive had a 6 month - ish break before making a come back recently and i cant remember ever being able to cheat...ah, i mean, choose such units previously.

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    Suprised that you found Bnet with SC a more welcoming place than Rome, there's some real big jerks on the Starcraft forums.

    If only everyone would follow these rules, it'd make for a much better online experience. People who need to win to inflate their...err...ego, are really just annoying. It's an online game, for God's sake. You're not going to be hailed as a hero because you beat a newbie into the ground.

    @^-You had to fight Yubtseb elephants in MP?
    Guess Total War's getting hackers, that's a shame, they always ruin online games no matter where they go.
    Last edited by Lord Raneus; July 06, 2008 at 07:32 PM.
    "The dark giant lay sprawled on the sands of Tunis. Far to the north the new champion of the arena lifted his arms in triumph. The galleys passed upon the sea, the soldiers laid down their arms, cities were rebuilt and peace was everywhere welcomed. The supine giant was unconscious, but not dead. Slowly he began to raise himself upon his elbows."
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    its not a hack, you jusy have to change export descr unit file... lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul d View Post
    its not a hack, you jusy have to change export descr unit file... lolz
    Yes, but I was under the impression that you then could not play other people online who had a different export_descr file, as the game is "modded" differently. :hmmm:
    I'm quite aware of the fun monkeying around you can do in singleplayer, but I thought that's where it had to stay.
    "The dark giant lay sprawled on the sands of Tunis. Far to the north the new champion of the arena lifted his arms in triumph. The galleys passed upon the sea, the soldiers laid down their arms, cities were rebuilt and peace was everywhere welcomed. The supine giant was unconscious, but not dead. Slowly he began to raise himself upon his elbows."
    ~Hannibal, by Ernie Bradford

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    Manners > Skills

    Would rather play a game with a new guy (I've never played myself ) and have fun and be nice to each other than play some addicted guy who cusses you out every 5 seconds...

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