Active rebels?

[Resurrection]

Hi again :-)

I was reading threads around here and I had an idea on mind. Till now I never saw rebels to be active as other factions. In all campaign AIs I saw they are completely and absolutely passive... only activity I got from them when for no apparent reason whole HRE with many provinces turn to rebels. Then those huge stacks were attacking my armies. Well, it was very special and I don't think anything like that would ever happen again.

So my question and suggestion (if it is even possible): Do you plan rebels to be active? If some brigands appear on the map will they really pillage the land? Will some "rebel factions" try to conquer nearby region if not defended properly?

Having them just hanging around and waiting for player/AI to come and slaughter them simply isn't right, you know

[AnthoniusII]

The answer is simple...YES they will be active atleast at the near by lands...
But several rebel factions will apear through the event issue (like the bulgarian rebelion at 1085)!

[Hengest]

Well your question is more about AI really, there are some things we can do to make the AI more aggressive and we can script certain things too. What we cannot do is control every move the rebels make. But we can give them a headstart and try to represent certain realistic issues. The rebels can be made a difficult opponent. They will not act like a human player though, that´s life...

[Resurrection]

Yes, that was what I meant. I don't expect miracles in this as so many failed trying to make active rebels. But if you succeed to make them at least anyhow active, you would be one of best. If they were NOT just staying where they appeared/began but do something, I'd be happy :-) So, thank you for your answers!!

[hahhii]

Are rebells able to siege your cities ans castles? Maybe a rebel army which is able to recruit some mercenaries in order to replace some units which were lost in a battle or perhaps able to build temporary fortresse's. These things would make rebels very powerfull.

[Hengest]

Because of our heavy use of Permanent Stone Forts (PSF), rebels are unlikely to be able to build forts themselves (or anyone actually) besides, even if they could the AI lacks the intelligence to be able to use these wisely especially in the case of say massive stacks of Steppe nomads or heavy infantry and cavalry around an indepedent minor faction (rebel). However, since many regions will be controlled by a settlement and a PSF as a kind of secondary town, a high rate of disorder in a region may result in you losing a PSF to a rebel stack just as easily as you could get kicked out of a settlement. The benefit of the PSF occupation would be that there would little warning and they would give the whole region penalties in tax income and agriculture until you removed them.

[Resurrection]

That sounds awesome. You guys drive me mad! :-) I wann some serious preview or anything. This is gonna be one bloody good mod!

[acegogo]

An idea for making this is to make one of the factions as the rebels.

As an example we can use venice and give them all regions controlled by rebels( not their original cities). that way they will become active even conquering other provinces. The one thing that I don´t know how to implement would be how to disable ceasefires with other factions.

[Resurrection]

An idea for making this is to make one of the factions as the rebels.

As an example we can use venice and give them all regions controlled by rebels( not their original cities). that way they will become active even conquering other provinces. The one thing that I don´t know how to implement would be how to disable ceasefires with other factions.

Why disable them? Perhaps disabling alliances would be enough. I can imagine having trade rights and trading with rebel cities... that would make sense after all. Rebels are only there because number of factions is limited.

[Hengest]

acegogo
Great idea, I´m intrigued, tell me more how you are thinking- for us it´s a problem since we are using all our faction slots and arguing over the last few choices!

[acegogo]

@Resurrection

it is not just about deleting the rebels, you can still have them in you just need to use a faction slot for them. this way you could trade with them.

@Hross

yep, that is a problem as I dont know how the rebels will work if you change their AI behaviour( sorry I am no scripter), so I beleive it would be easier to change (unfortunately) a faction to become all of them, ( as a sugestion you have many italian factions??????).

If you want during this weekend I could send you a bit more descriptive idea of what I have in mind. Work is busy at the momment.

[AnthoniusII]

@Resurrection

it is not just about deleting the rebels, you can still have them in you just need to use a faction slot for them. this way you could trade with them.

@Hross

yep, that is a problem as I dont know how the rebels will work if you change their AI behaviour( sorry I am no scripter), so I beleive it would be easier to change (unfortunately) a faction to become all of them, ( as a sugestion you have many italian factions??????).

If you want during this weekend I could send you a bit more descriptive idea of what I have in mind. Work is busy at the momment.

It is most greatfull to see a worty member(of the mod i played most) to help us!

[paokmam]

nICE

[acegogo]

thanks for your words guys...... you make me go shy!!!!

and as TLR seems to be on a permanent ( torn!!! I miss you!!!) stand still, I would be willing to help out if you guys need me.

see you during the weekend... I believe you will like it!!!

[AnthoniusII]

Yes please!!!!

[Numenor]

the problem i see making the rebels a faction is that they'll be overpowerd in the beggining. i mean, if i want to conquer, i dont know, malta, that's rebel, all of russia, africa, france, all of the rebel provinces will atack me... for no reason!

[Resurrection]

the problem i see making the rebels a faction is that they'll be overpowerd in the beggining. i mean, if i want to conquer, i dont know, malta, that's rebel, all of russia, africa, france, all of the rebel provinces will atack me... for no reason!

Not true! I once tried playing as rebels and really rush everything nearby. In few turns I was out of money, out of armies and just sitting in my rebel cities waiting for enemy to conquer my small achievements. In fact I managed to destroy two factions (Poland and Portugal) but only beacuase they had just one/two provinces and one of it was village... (all in LTC) So rebels are not that strong. And they have absolutely crippled economy, so no chance for restoration any loss.

[hahhii]

the problem i see making the rebels a faction is that they'll be overpowerd in the beggining. i mean, if i want to conquer, i dont know, malta, that's rebel, all of russia, africa, france, all of the rebel provinces will atack me... for no reason!

i think the rebells wouldnt send forces from russia/north africa/middle-east/france etc against you if you go and conquer malta becouse they are at war with everyone, so they will only move forces from nearly provinces against you. The rebel armies (for example) from russia will stay in the up corner of the map fighting against other russian factions then coming a long way to malta to conquer it back.

[Numenor]

well, i dont know. and btw, the ai will try and make aliances with them... that is kinda stupid.

anyway, this idea must be really tested. i may be wrong.

[AnthoniusII]

For my small expiriance plying some interesting mods i have allready saw rebbels attacking nearbuy settlements when guarisons are away or just too small..That feature will be ingrease in this mod...