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    Understanding Christianity

    "Christianity is just another one of many religions. They all teach people to live a good life."

    "Christianity simply gives people a high standard of morals to try to follow."

    "Christianity means going to church occasionally and being good to your neighbors."

    Are any of these ideas about Christianity true? No! Though held by many people, each of these thoughts are wrong. Christianity is not just one among many religions. Nor does it simply call for a person to be good and attend church.

    Christianity stands unique among all the world’s religious systems because it’s founder, Jesus Christ, is the Son of God. He came to Earth to reveal God to us in human form. This is true of no other religion. Jesus Christ is not simply another human being. He is God!

    Therefore salvation (release) from the guilt of sin is possible only through Him. He said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). "Salvation is found in no one else" (Acts 4:12).

    A Christian is not someone who simply attends church, tries to be good on his own, or attempts to build up merit before God. Rituals and good deeds will not make you a Christian; you need a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And this is possible only when you admit that you are a sinner and you turn to Him for forgiveness of your sins. That is why Jesus died on the cross; to bear your sins so that you can receive Him as your Savior. When you do, He will forgive you and give you eternal life. Then as a child of God, you can have fellowship with Jesus Christ in prayer, and you can depend upon Him for help each day. This is what Christianity is all about; salvation from sin and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    This wonderful relationship can be yours only by faith, that is, only by trusting in Jesus Christ, God’s Son. All your efforts to save yourself or to gain peace with God are in vain. All other religions are based on human efforts, trying to be good enough to please one’s god or gods. But no one ever knows if he has done enough good works.

    By contrast, the Bible says we can never work enough for our salvation. Instead God offers it as a free gift. "The gift of God is eternal life" (Romans 6:23). And this gift must be received by faith. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). Church attendance, baptism, kind deeds....none of these will ever be enough to get you to heaven. "He saved us, not because of righteous [good] things we had done, but because of his mercy" (Titus 3:5).

    Becoming a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, is possible only because of God’s grace. Grace is His favor which we don’t deserve. Because He offers us the gift of eternal life freely, we can’t do anything to build up any merit before God. In other religions, people try to reach God by their own efforts. But in Christianity, God has reached down to us, and in His love He offers us the gift of eternal life....for free! "[We] are justified freely by his grace" (Romans 3:24). "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

    Will you trust Jesus Christ now as your personal savior? If you will do so, you will receive God’s free gift of eternal life and forgiveness of your sins. Turn to Him now in faith, realizing you can do nothing to save yourself. To become a Christian, pray a prayer something like this:

    God, I confess that I am a sinner, and I realize I can’t save myself. So I ask Jesus to save me from my sin by forgiving me and giving me the wonderful gift of eternal life. I trust Him now as my Savior. Amen.


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    *Correction, didn't realize it was you Lucius.*

    Christianity can be explained by the unwillingness or inability of generations of people to understand an ancient wise man's metaphors.

    In its most perfect form, christianity is defined as such: "Christianity is just another one of many religions. They all teach people to live a good life".
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    He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

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    If anyone has made the commitment to Jesus Christ, please post if so, or private message me. That way, we can keep in touch, and I can help answer your questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishman
    Christianity can be explained by the unwillingness or inability of generations of people to understand an ancient wise man's metaphors.
    Perhaps you would care to consider the New Testament in the context of the Old Testament and the Church Fathers of the early centuries? Then you might see that this rather modern attitude is not actually very appropriate, or grounded in anything more than a secularist tendency to revise whatever the liberal humanist can't bring himself to contemplate in its straightforward form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Fisher
    To become a Christian, pray a prayer something like this:

    God, I confess that I am a sinner, and I realize I can’t save myself. So I ask Jesus to save me from my sin by forgiving me and giving me the wonderful gift of eternal life. I trust Him now as my Savior. Amen.
    Very Protestant. What about baptism, confession, the partaking of the Holy Mysteries (i.e. communion) and the unseen warfare?

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    Christianity stands unique among all the world’s religious systems because it’s founder, Jesus Christ, is the Son of God.
    That's quite a claim. Care to back it up?

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    Very Protestant. What about baptism, confession, the partaking of the Holy Mysteries (i.e. communion) and the unseen warfare?
    Well, yes I'm a Protestant, but I don't believe that all of those are required to be saved. This verse explains why I believe this: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not by works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). That isn't to say that a Christian should not do those things, however.

    That's quite a claim. Care to back it up?
    It is quite a claim, isn't it? But Jesus was all that he said he was. He fulfilled all of the Messianic prophesies.


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    Christianity stands unique among all the world’s religious systems because it’s founder, Jesus Christ, is the Son of God. He came to Earth to reveal God to us in human form. This is true of no other religion. Jesus Christ is not simply another human being. He is God!

    woah! lot of emotions there. do you truly believe that God came down as a spec in a city in a country in a continent in a world in a solar system in a galaxy in a universe?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    Christianity stands unique among all the world’s religious systems because it’s founder, Jesus Christ, is the Son of God. He came to Earth to reveal God to us in human form. This is true of no other religion. Jesus Christ is not simply another human being. He is God!

    woah! lot of emotions there. do you truly believe that God came down as a spec in a city in a country in a continent in a world in a solar system in a galaxy in a universe?

    The Creator created the world out of his own being/ essence, thus he has the ability to be present at many various places at one time. The difference with Jesus that is often over looked is that the man was only flesh and blood like any other. What made Jesus so special was the origins of his soul. It is that being which is God for that being had existed long before than man was born, that being dwelled in the realm which only the Creator could dwell for that being was the Creator. this is what modern Christianity doesn’t teach that the soul man is more important than the flesh for it is humanities souls that when pure and perfected in the eye's of it's creator that it has no boundaries/ and or limits. :hmmm:

    How great is he who gains the world but loses their soul? :hmmm:

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    It is quite a claim, isn't it? But Jesus was all that he said he was. He fulfilled all of the Messianic prophesies.
    Can you prove that with real sources? Outside, independent and unbiased ones?

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    Can you prove that with real sources? Outside, independent and unbiased ones?
    Well, as the only mention to those prophecies are in the Bible, its impossible to prove them without quoting it. It's a matter of faith in the end. I do believe in them, for my part. But unlike others, i dont think that's the only way one can be saved.
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    Then you might see that this rather modern attitude is not actually very appropriate, or grounded in anything more than a secularist tendency to revise whatever the liberal humanist can't bring himself to contemplate in its straightforward form.
    No No. I understand how the early Christian fathers and the old testament interpreted the truly wise message of Jesus, and removed the wisdom, leaving the dogma.

    Just as the Buddha spoke in terms of rebirth and Brahman, he meant things very different than what is meant in the Hindi scripture, so too must Jesus' words be interpreted for them to have any real meaning.

    The literal interpretation of Jesus' theology (especially considering the time and authors of the books we have) is erroneous at best.

    Jesus' teachings have the most weight if their practical wisdom is given more importance than his theology. If one can achieve this, then Christianity has practical moral meaning, if not, it becomes an irrelevant super-naturalistic dogma.
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    He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

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    no messianic prophecies fortell the coming of God in human form





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    Mansa musa,

    Every Messianic prophecy foretells of God coming to save the unsavable. Who else but God could fulfill the prophecies? Indeed the " seed " who would be bruised by the serpent or Satan, and who in turn would be delivered a blow so serious that were it not for a further purpose would have been long gone, is the first prophecy concerning Messiah and told of in the first chapters of the Scriptures.

    But then Islam, as with many other religions, believes that man can do these things by themselves, that is appease God without ever knowing the righteousness that must be satisfied if any are to see heaven. Once again you rely on mercy where there is none since the Law demands death for your sins.

    However had you read the Scriptures and seen not what the Koran tells you about them, but what they themselves convey, then you might appreciate that nothing has been written that is not revolving around the coming of God to this planet and for why. Indeed shows clearly that what you imagine God to be is no more than a fiction, even a different god.

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    Can you prove that with real sources? Outside, independent and unbiased ones?
    This article is about Jesus' resurrection. I'm not sure if this will change your opinion, but you may find this of interest:

    *This is a bit long, so I made it a spoiler.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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    THE EVIDENCE FOR JESUS’ HISTORICAL RESURRECTION

    For Seekers, For Those Who Know Him, And For the Plain Skeptical


    "To me the evidence is conclusive…Over and over again in the high court I have secured the verdict on evidence no nearly so compelling [as the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection]."—Sir Edward Clarke, former Justice of the High Court of England


    The story of Jesus is either the greatest event, or it is the cruelest hoax in history. If it is a hoax, then the whole of the Christian message crumbles together with the hopes of those multitudes of lives built on His name (1 Corinthians 15:14-19). But if the story is true, then this world has been hit with extraordinary news of earth-shaking consequences. Have you taken the trouble to decide which it is? In a matter this weighty, it is in your interest to explore the truth or falsity of His claims. Amazingly however, many people who don’t believe haven’t ever bothered to explore the evidence in support of Jesus,1 but rather, often run away from it. At the same time, many Christians themselves are not sure, at bottom, whether the claims of Christ are solid. Is the Christian claim a hoax? Is it just wishful thinking? Or is it actually true?

    The next few pages will demonstrate that the story of Jesus, and of His resurrection in particular, rests on solid historical grounds. So wherever you may be in terms of belief, unbelief, doubt, or indecision, I invite you to take a new look at this evidence.2

    SORTING THROUGH THE CONFUSION

    Disagreement abounds today regarding the identity of Jesus of Nazareth. If you were to randomly ask people in a survey who they think He is, you would get a variety of responses. Some might say He is a great prophet who stands equal to Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, and others. Some might give Him credit for being a profound moral teacher. Still others might say He was a loving, but weak person who happened to get killed for a noble, but lost, cause.

    Who do you think Jesus is? Are the above opinions accurate to any degree? Or are some relevant details missing? Our age rightly demands open-mindedness and intellectual honesty in any investigation. So also regarding Jesus of Nazareth it is essential to have all the facts before deciding for, or against, Him.

    CLEARING UP THE FOG

    A very relevant detail that cannot be ignored is what Jesus says about Himself. The fact is His claims are staggering! If the Bible is correct, Jesus looms above and stands apart from every other figure in history. No one else with an ounce of sanity ever made the lofty claims He did. He accepted worship (Matthew 14:33, John 20:28), and claimed the right to (as a third party) forgive the sins of other human beings; a privilege every Jew understood to be reserved only for God Almighty (Luke 5:20f). And He said of Himself, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30); a claim that aroused certain parties to plot His death (John 5:18; 10:30-33). Significantly, a wide array of New Testament writers speak of this One born in a Bethlehem stable to Joseph and Mary as no less than the Creator of the universe in His heavenly pre-existence (John 1:1-3,14, Colossians 1:16f, and Hebrews 1:2f). In summary, the claim of the New Testament is that Jesus is God, the Eternal Son, who became a human being in the fullness of time (Galatians 4:4, Philippians 2:5-11).

    THE INEVITABILITY OF THE DECISION

    What is to be done with such astonishing claims? Clearly, these implications are too enormous to just brush to the side. In fact, the choices open to us are surprisingly few. C.S. Lewis, a former agnostic intellectual who became a Christian believer, has set forth the three basic options with crystal clarity:

    I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.’ That is the sort of thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or he would be the devil of hell. You must make a choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.3

    WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE?

    Our relativistic age is confusing the whole issue about Jesus by imagining His relevance to be merely a matter of individual taste, like one’s choice of hats! But the issue is really of an altogether different kind. Your eternal destiny and mine is at stake over what we have done with Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11,12). Either this claim of the New Testament is true or it isn’t. If it is falsehood, then let us go on to something else. But if the claim is true, shall we not come to terms with Him and believe in Him as He commands? The answer to that question rests not on what we may happen to prefer, but on whether Jesus of Nazareth stacks up as the One He claims to be. Helping you decide He indeed is the Eternal Son of God (John 8:58) is what this essay is all about. The following THREE ARGUMENTS, now to be elaborated, point to this conclusion:

    I. Jesus’ character is consistent with His high claims.

    II. The New Testament is reliable testimony to His life.

    III. There is superior historical evidence for His resurrection.

    Let us look at a more detailed look at this evidence.

    I. JESUS: A LIAR? OR DECEIVED?

    Although deception, either in the form of self-delusion or as a fraudulent parade before His followers, is a theoretical possibility, it is significant that very few skeptics have ever taken this line of attack. The reason is that the available evidence about Jesus points in the opposite direction. His teaching, for example, reveals an astonishing depth, and His moral principles showed an abhorrence of all forms of dishonesty. Indeed, the almost unanimous opinion regarding Jesus of Nazareth is that He was a person of extraordinary character. His appeal has reached across every social class and culture. And His is a character that has lifted up countless followers to a new plane of life. There is not a hint in the New Testament that Jesus was a less-than-level person. Rather, He exemplified strength and virtue. As Jewish scholar, Joseph Klausner has acknowledged,


    Christ taught the purest and sublimest system of ethics...one which throws the moral precepts and maxims of the wisest men in history far into the shade.4

    Nor is this portrait merely the product of imaginative fervor run wild. Real holiness is impossible for either individuals or communities to invent. Attempts at such an enterprise typically result in a perverse portrait where certain qualities are exaggerated to an extreme, while other essential features are omitted. Genuine holiness is finally recognizable only after an encounter with the surprising person of Jesus of Nazareth. His life actually demolished all stereotypes of the term holy.5

    I invite you to do your own reading of the Gospels just in case you have been relying on faulty and second-hand information about Jesus. Many people are surprised to discover that the Jesus we actually meet in the Gospels bears no resemblance to the "meek-and-mild" caricatures that they had previously held about Him. H.G. Wells, for example, though himself a staunch opponent of Christianity, admitted about Jesus that He was a "soaring personality" who was "too great for His disciples."6 And literary critic and playwright Dorothy Sayers paints the following portrait of Him:

    It is we [in our generation] who have pared the claws of the Lion of Judah...He was emphatically not a dull man in His human lifetime. It has been left to later generations to muffle up that shattering personality... The people who hanged Christ never, to do them justice, accused Him of being a bore—on the contrary, they thought Him too dynamic to be safe.7


    II. IS THE NEW TESTAMENT RELIABLE?

    Since it is from the New Testament that we gain our knowledge of Jesus, it is fitting to ask whether such literature is sound and historically accurate. Critics often describe the Gospels as pious legend, having no historical competence, and designed only for propaganda purposes. But while it is acknowledged that the Gospels are not biography in the strict sense according to 20th century definitions,8 the following facts give immense weight to the historical accuracy of the New Testament.


    A. ARCHAEOLOGY UPHOLDS THE NEW TESTAMENT.

    Archaeologists studying ancient civilizations by uncovering ruins and examining artifacts, are with increasing success confirming the accuracy of the Biblical texts. Sir William Ramsey’s vindication of Luke’s writings is a classic example.9 The findings of archaeology have in fact reversed the opinions of a number of former skeptics. Among these are Dr. William F. Albright, who writes:

    The excessive skepticism shown toward the Bible [by certain schools of thought] has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of numerous details.10

    Recent archaeological discoveries include both the Pool of Bethesda (John 5:1f), and "The Pavement" (John 19:13)--their existence was doubted just a few decades ago—and the accuracy of the setting of Jacob’s Well (John ch. 4).11 Such findings have caused many scholars to reverse earlier skeptical opinions on the historicity of the Fourth Gospel. Its author demonstrates an obvious intimate knowledge of the Jerusalem of Jesus’ generation, just as we would expect from the Apostle John, the traditionally held author. Such detail would not have been accessible to a writer of a later generation, since Jerusalem was demolished and all Jews scattered for centuries thereafter, under Titus’ Roman army in the year 70 A.D.

    Also, the recent recovery of a Roman census similar to the census in Luke 2:1f (which had earlier been discounted on the grounds of being outrageous), and the historical confirmation of his "synchronism"12 in Luke 3:1f, underscores the care Luke took in writing His Gospel (1:1-4). Critics of his Gospel often retreat into non-verifiable and subjective opinions, but their writings have not overthrown Luke’s historical confirmations.13 By extension, the other two "Synoptic"14 Gospels of Matthew and Mark, painting essentially similar portraits of Jesus’ ministry, are also trustworthy accounts of His life.

    It is popularly held that Jesus’ existence is not mentioned by any person of His times outside of the New Testament. But that is simply false. Numerous contemporaneous non-biblical and secular writers, living within 150 years of Jesus’ life, some of whom are outright hostile, mention Jesus’ existence, including Roman writers Tacitus, Seutonius, Thallus, and Pliny, and the Jewish writings of Josephus and the Talmud.15

    B. THE GOSPELS BEAR INTERNAL MARKS OF INTEGRITY.

    There are also characteristics within the texts themselves which mark the Four Gospels as sober history and neither legend nor fictional propaganda. Consider that the Gospel writers set the leading disciples in very poor light (Matthew 14:30, Mark 9:33f, Luke 22:54f). Notice as well that they included harsh words and difficult sayings by Jesus, which in fact repelled many hearers (Matthew 21:28f, Luke 9:23f, John 8:39f). One distinction of the Four Gospels is that their famed treasure of good news lies not nakedly on the surface, but hidden behind both challenge (Mark 8:34f, John 12:25f)16 and threat (Matthew 25:31f). Such characteristics would have been counterproductive to propagandists. Their presence in the Gospels demonstrates the willingness of the evangelists to tell the truth, however embarrassing or inconvenient.

    C. THE NEW TESTAMENT TEXT IS FIRMLY ESTABLISHED.

    Some express concern that the Bible has been altered down through the centuries. It is to this matter that Textual Critics address themselves. They have discovered hundreds of ancient manuscripts, one portion dating to the beginning of the 2nd Century. The New Testament has far better textual support than do the works of Plato, Aristotle, Heroditus, or Tacitus,17 whose contents no one seriously questions. In addition, the New Testament documents have always been both public, and widely disseminated. Thus it would be impossible for any party to have materially changed their documents, just as the Declaration of Independence, for example, as a public document, could not be altered without raising widespread notice and creating public furor. Sir Frederic Kenyon, former Director of the British Museum, comments:

    The interval between the dates of the original composition and the earliest extant evidence [i.e. our oldest manuscripts] becomes so small as to be negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed.18

    IN CONCLUSION, it is not necessary that the New Testament be treated with "kid gloves" and backed up by special pleading. With the single addition of an openness to the possibility of the miraculous (see p5), simply allow it to be subject to the very same historical-critical standards that Classical historians apply to their literature. When equal treatment is permitted its course, the Gospels fully pass the test.19

    III. THE EVIDENCE FOR JESUS’RESURRECTION.

    The most powerful sign of all that Jesus is who He claims to be, namely the Son of God, is His resurrection from the dead (Acts 2:29-36), Romans 1:4). Here again we are faced with a question of huge implications: Did it happen? Is the Easter story the great exception to the "usual dreary end of human life?" Some consider the resurrection of Jesus Christ to be superstition. But take notice of the following partial review of the evidences supporting it as one of the sure and certain events of history.

    A critical debate on the question "Did Jesus rise from the dead?" took place recently between world-renowned atheistic philosopher, Dr. Antony Flew, and New Testament scholar, Dr. Gary Habermas. A panel of five philosophers from leading universities judged the outcome. What was the conclusion? Four votes for Habermas. None for Flew. And one draw. One respondent to the debate, philosopher Charles Hartshorne, admitted against his own bias, "I can neither explain away the evidence to which Habermas appeals, nor can I simply agree with Flew’s or Hume’s positions."20 Dr. Flew was judged to have retreated into philosophical sophistry while evading a whole host of widely-acknowledged historical facts.


    TWELVE WIDELY-ACKNOWLEDGED HISTORICAL FACTS

    These facts include: "(1) Jesus died due to the rigors of crucifixion and (2) was buried. (3) Jesus’ death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope. (4) ...Many scholars hold that Jesus’ tomb was discovered to be empty just a few days later. (5) ...At this time the disciples had real experiences that they believed to be literal experiences of the risen Jesus. (6) ...The disciples were transformed from doubters who were afraid to identify with Jesus, to bold proclaimers of His death and resurrection, even being willing to die for this belief. (7) [The resurrection] was central to [their message] and (8) ...proclaimed in Jerusalem [where critics could easily examine the facts surrounding the tomb]. As a result... (9) the Church was born and grew, (10) with Sunday the primary day of worship. (11) James [Jesus’ skeptical brother], and (12) Paul, the great persecutor of the faith, [were both converted by the resurrection]."21

    So momentous was this single event in the First Century, its effects have been described as a "widening circle of ripples" from "a boulder crashing into the pool of History." 22 In one of the oddest turns in history, a message resting on the death of a condemned outcast (1 Corinthians 1:23) came to be proclaimed as the foundation for "good news"—which is what the word Gospel means. Equally amazing was the extent of the transformation of the Mediterranean world following from its proclamation. The impetus for this movement was the conviction that the same Jesus who was crucified was now seen alive again. These facts are admitted even by knowledgeable skeptics.23

    The Easter story, of course, has had its critics, ever since Day One. From the account of the first guards in Matthew 28:11f, all the way to the present, there have been efforts to explain away the resurrection. Each new attempt, however, is more perverse than those which came before,24 while still failing to account for the range of indisputable facts. Let’s look at the weaknesses of six objections most frequently leveled by critics.

    OBJECTION: "THE EASTER ACCOUNTS ARE MYTH; NOT HISTORY."

    ANSWER: Negative critics charge that the Gospels have cloaked the original "primitive" Jesus (who is represented in the hypothetical Gospel of Q—see endnote 19), in layers of legend and myth.25 Yet there are at least FOUR REASONS why the mythological interpretation fails. Firstly, comparative literature demonstrates that myth requires a number of generations to develop. There are simply no parallels in other literature of myth developing and being believed in the presence of eye-witnesses and within the short time-frame in which the New Testament was formed.26 Secondly, many of these eye-witnesses to His public ministry were hostile toward the Jesus the Gospels describe (Matthew 12:22f). These opponents had both the motives and the means to correct falsehoods about Him had the first disciples attempted them.27 Yet their opportunity did not produce a serious correction. Thirdly, the Gospels are demonstrably independent from the mystery religions. Nor do they resemble either pagan myth or Jewish legend.28 Rather, the Gospels are absent of embellishment and naked in their descriptions. They betray no burning desire to persuade. They also lack theological reflection, but to the contrary, use rather "primitive" language ("the first day of the week"—Matthew 28:1, John 20:1, as opposed to "on the third day"—1 Corinthians 15:4). They also contain other details that are counter-productive to the invention of legendary heroes. For example, the following six factors in John chapter 20 are at odds with the tendency of legendary material: a) With great restraint, no attempt is made to describe the actual drama itself of Jesus rising from the dead. b) Mary neither recognized Jesus (the "hero") initially (v.14), c) nor even considered there was anything special about Him (v.16). d) Indeed, even by the end of the day His disciples were still in hiding "for fear of the Jews" (v.19). e) And were the Gospels the product of paternalistic (male dominant) bias, as feminists charge, it is incredible their alleged "inventors" would have chosen to create women as the first witnesses of the Risen Jesus. The testimony of women didn’t even count legally in ancient Middle Eastern cultures.29 f) Yet it was their courage going to the tomb on Easter morning that effectively put the men’s contrasting cowardice to shame. Fourthly, the Jews were the poorest candidates for inventing a mythical Christ. No other culture in history has more opposed mythically confusing deity with humanity, than they.30

    OBJECTION: "MIRACLES ARE NOT POSSIBLE."

    ANSWER: The success of modern science in explaining the world in terms of cosmic regularity has led some to rule out miracles as an outmoded and impossible concept. Yet that is an unwarranted philosophical assumption and not a scientific conclusion. And philosophy cannot dogmatically forbid miracle apart from proof of no reality outside of nature. Once the existence of a transcendent, wise and powerful God (as in the God of Israel) is granted as a possibility, miracles can’t be dismissed out of hand. For the actual strength of the case for His existence consider the 2nd reference in both endnotes no. 1 and 36. Skeptical prejudice typically leads to an evasion of the evidence, rather than to that kind of critical analysis which is required on a case-by-case basis.31


    OBJECTION: "THE BODY WAS STOLEN."

    ANSWER: The tomb was indeed empty.32 Yet neither the Jewish nor the Roman leaders, who had the tomb guarded (Matthew 27:62f), would have taken the body. Rather, both had every motive to produce the body publicly in order to humiliate the first disciples and nip their movement in the bud. And since the scene in question was right at Jerusalem, it was completely within their power to locate the corpse should it still have existed. Yet to their dismay, no such body was ever produced.

    In addition to the hostile guards, Jesus’ followers likewise had no incentive for hiding the corpse to pretend the resurrection. The dire consequences of their loyalty to Him included beating, imprisonments, and even death. No sane person chooses these for what they know is false. Under such pressures liars confess their deceptions and betray their cohorts.

    Some assert, however, that Jesus was raised only spiritually and not bodily, so that whether the body remained in the tomb is irrelevant. But Jewish anthropology rejected both the body/soul dualism and the notion of the immortality of the soul of Greco-Roman thought. Judaism could not conceive of a "spiritual" resurrection without a body. And if it indeed actually had happened that Jesus’ body remained in the grave, Paul’s teaching on the resurrection of the body (1 Corinthians 15) would have attempted to reconcile the apparent contradiction.33

    OBJECTION: "JESUS MERELY RECOVERED FROM HIS WOUNDS".

    ANSWER: Crucifixion was in reality an excruciating experience—indeed, these two words are clearly related. The cause of death by crucifixion was multi-factorial and torturous! These factors included exhaustion asphyxia, dehydration, and congestive heart failure.34 That Jesus could have survived such agony on a Roman cross, to limp out of the tomb by His own power is improbable enough! That His bloodied appearance could have been overlooked, so that He could deceive despairing disciples into believing He was the "Risen Lord of Life" is absurd! And such an attempt would have incriminated Jesus as a fraud. Only a supernaturally raised Jesus was capable of healing and empowering the broken hearts of the disciples.



    OBJECTION: "THE WITNESSES WERE JUST ‘SEEING THINGS.’"

    ANSWER: On one point virtually all scholars of every stripe agree: The first disciples were themselves utterly convinced they had seen the risen Christ.35 The Easter message breathes through virtually every New Testament document. So the real question is, how do we account for their obvious conviction? Were they just hallucinating? While sounding plausible, many factors contradict it.36 For one, the large number of witnesses (1 Corinthians 15:5-8), covering the spectrum of personality types (John 20 -- Peter, Thomas, the two Marys, etc.), contradict the theory of hallucinations which, by definition, are not shared experiences. Also, the substantial, permanent, and positive change in lifestyle of many of the converted overthrows any theory of hallucination. Jewish scholar, Dr. Pinchas Lapide, has written:

    When this frightened band of Apostles suddenly could be changed over-night into a confident mission society...Then no vision or hallucination is sufficient to explain such a revolutionary transformation.


    OBJECTION: "THE EASTER STORIES ARE FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS."

    ANSWER: The Gospels admittedly take work to reconcile. But this problem, as it is typically framed, is vastly overstated. It is important to note that a contradiction goes beyond two parties merely sharing differing sets of observations (which may both finally be shown to be true). Contradictory observations must be shown to be impossible to reconcile. It is true that Matthew focuses on Jesus’ Galillean appearances while Luke gives his entire attention to His appearances in Jerusalem. Yet neither says He only appeared in their respective areas. So there is no reason to infer from either of them dishonesty or ignorance of the larger story. Reporters to any event (secular or religious), following all standards of accuracy and integrity, will each edit their stories differently with their eyes on what is relevant to their readers. Since none of the Gospel writers were "under strict orders" to tell absolutely everything Jesus ever did, the rigid demands of the hypercritics that all four Gospels tell exactly the same story, are arbitrary and artificial. Regarding Easter morning’s first hours, Dr. Sayers provides urgently needed common sense by writing:


    One is often surprised to find how many apparent contradictions turn out to be not contradictory at all, but merely supplementary... Divergences appear very great on first sight... But the fact remains that all of the [Easter accounts], without exception, can be made to fall into a place in a single orderly and coherent narrative, without the smallest contradiction or difficulty and without any suppression, invention, or manipulation, beyond a trifling effort to imagine the natural behavior of a bunch of startled people running about in the dawnlight between Jerusalem and the garden.38


    FURTHER EVIDENCE FOR THE RESURRECTION

    The explosive growth of the Church demands the resurrection of Jesus to account for it. It wasn’t the powerful, backed by armies, wealth, and prestige, but mere commoners,39 burdened with every cultural strike against them (1 Corinthians 1:26f), whose Easter message peacefully overcame the Roman Empire. Who could have predicted such an impossible feat? Yet the "impossible" actually did happen!40

    That Christianity had its origin in Judaism41 is further evidence for His resurrection. What else could have led so many Jews who had longed for a military deliverer, instead to accept a shamefully hung "criminal" (Galatians 3:13) as their promised Messiah? And what else could have moved Jews to break their monotheistic42 convictions to worship Jesus as God the Son (John 1:18, Acts 6:7), or change their day of worship from Saturday to Sunday (Acts 20:7)? Jewish bias against the Jesus of the New Testament was massive. A mere invented myth would have been powerless to overthrow their hopes and traditions in favor of a condemned outcast.43 Neither could metaphor have empowered Jews into their willing martyrdom.

    In addition, the conversion of Saul of Tarsus points to a momentous miracle. Without question something major happened to this most influential figure of the entire 1st Century apart from Christ.44 Having begun as a violent enemy of the Church (Acts 8:3; 9:1), he was utterly turned around into becoming Jesus’ servant. Henceforth choosing suffering for Christ’s sake (2 Corinthians 11:23f), Paul gave up all he had, endured persecution, and preached "Christ crucified" in city after city all the way to Rome, where he died a martyr’s death. For reasons described in the previous paragraph, his new faith was "miles" from a natural progression out of Judaism. Nor was his conversion impelled by a sense of guilt and inadequacy. Rather, he had been a proud and satisfied Pharisaic Jew (Galatians 1:13-15, Philippians 3:4-7). Nothing short of an encounter with the risen Christ has remotely explained his major about-face.

    The other Apostles also, overcame fear to brave suffering, imprisonment, and death as they proclaimed the Good News of the Risen Christ across their world. Is it thinkable these people would die so willingly for merely a myth?45 In contrast to others who have died for an unverifiable hope beyond the grave (e.g. mystics seeking reincarnation or Moslem militants expecting reward from Allah), Jesus’ disciples lived and died for the publicly verifiable claim that the grave was empty and He was seen alive again. Legal scholar, Dr. Simon Greenleaf, writes::

    Propagating this new faith, even in the most inoffensive and peaceful manner, [early Christians received] contempt, opposition ...and cruel deaths. Yet this faith they zealously did propagate, and all these miseries they endured undismayed, nay rejoicing. As one after another was put to a miserable death, the survivors only [continued] their work with increased vigor and resolution...The annals of military warfare afford scarcely an example of like heroic constancy... and unblenching courage...If it were morally possible for them to have been deceived in this matter, every human motive operated to lead them to discover and avow their error…From these [considerations] there is no escape but in the perfect conviction and admission that they were good men, testifying to that which they had carefully observed...and well knew to be true.46

    THAT CONCLUSION WHICH LEADS TO A NEW BEGINNING

    "Easter is not primarily a comfort, but a challenge," writes J.N.D. Anderson, late Dean of the School of Law at the University of London "...If it is true, then it is the supreme fact of history, and to fail to adjust one’s life to its implications means irreparable loss."47

    Indeed, this essay is not about mere historical curiosity, but about an event of enormous consequences to you. For according to Romans 1:4, Jesus’ resurrection affirms the Bible’s high claims about Him (see p. 2 of this essay), and that He is the way to heaven that God has provided (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). It guarantees there will be a Last Judgment (Acts 17:31), and that there is a Heaven and a Hell (Revelation 1:18). Yet this Risen Christ offers the forgiveness of sins and everlasting salvation for whoever believes in Him (John 11:25,26, Romans 4:24,25). Everyone is inescapably affected by these implications. Therefore you cannot afford to remain an agnostic regarding Jesus and His claim on you. While many today are indifferent to such matters, avoiding Him is not an honest proposition. The mounting evidence supporting His claims demands your consideration.

    And consideration is demanded not only for your intellect, but for your whole being! For the One who is "Alive forevermore" (Revelation 1:18) says, "Behold I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and [fellowship with you]" (Revelation 3:20). By "door" is meant access to your heart, mind, and will. Jesus wills entry into your life that He may be your Savior and Lord. So "Today...Do not harden your heart" (Hebrews 4:7). Rather, open your heart, and let the One who died and rose for you come in!48


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    That's hardly unbiased.

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    God died for 3 days?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansa musa View Post
    God died for 3 days?
    Yes, mansa. It refers to his human experience.

    Muhammad split the moon?

    Yes, boofhead.

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    Well, God went to Hades for three days. Christ has both human and divine natures, and so you could say that God's human body died, though it was resurrected after three days.

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    That's hardly unbiased.
    If you are looking for an unbiased source, well....you may have a tough time finding one, because all of the people who believe this are already Christians. You won't find anyone who is atheist believing that, because if he did believe, he wouldn't be atheist anymore.

    Well, God went to Hades for three days. Christ has both human and divine natures, and so you could say that God's human body died, though it was resurrected after three days.
    Yes, he did go to hades/hell for three days. He went beyond just an earthly death to pay for our sins.


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    But Sam, you can have some credible archaeologists providing reliable evidence that such a thing happened.
    The flow of time is always cruel... its speed seems different for each person, but no one can change it... A thing that does not change with time is a memory of younger days...

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    He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

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