Papal States, would you really miss them?

[Harry Lime]

If the stability of a DLV related mod ..was enhanced by making the Papal States non-playable, would you mind that much?

To clarify as some people seem to be misinterpreting me. I'm not talking about removing the Papal States, just making them unplayable. They will still be in the campaign but controllable only by the AI

[hekk]

well i think they add more to gameplay and keep europeans from going crazy at each other from the beginning.

a faction I wouldn't miss is definitely native americans, I'd much rather throw them out than papal states.

[gubbs]

Nope.

[Harry Lime]

@hekk.

I'm not talking about removing the Papal States just making them unplayable, and as for the Aztecs...

[hekk]

@hekk.

I'm not talking about removing the Papal States just making them unplayable, and as for the Aztecs...

Oh, well then, of course. And yeah I know you've heard the anti-Aztec whining before.

But I don't think anyone plays as Papal states anyway.

[repman]

@Harry
Why are playable papal states making the mod unstable ?

repman

[Christop]

No. I would rather the mod was more stable.

[Rex Inanimatus]

A conquering pope is just odd, just keep him annoyingly important in politics

[ivanhoex]

i wont ever play papal

[Meister Sibrand]

hmmm idk i'd consider sacrificing them for a proper norway banner

[LlamaD]

I used to outsource/emigrate papal states to the balkan and further away back in mtw(1). Somehow you just have to reach the HRE Reunited goal.

A conquering AI-pope would be slightly historically incorrect, but a lot of fun gameplaywise. As of now, he's just a lame duck.
For playing the pope it's fun once but boring pretty soon.

Though, if it's only for a related mod and not dlv itself i don't mind. But hey, you (devs) already did the gov-in-city-requirement for production most people don't love, so what gives?
Anyway, it's "affordable" to lose 'em.

[Omar Nelson B.]

Voted. No I will not miss playing them. I don't think that they should be playable because they are the governing country off all Europe or at least they are suppose to be The player should not be able to make such worldly decisions! Plus I would like to see maybe the Turks split into two Turkish factions or some other brilliant addition.

Cheers

[Xtiaan72]

I would not miss the papal states one bit... As long as the pope still existed for crusades and what not. Not exactly sure how that would work but it would be great. The question is who would the bonus faction be? That's what there should be a poll about, who would replace them? Sultanate of Rum? Aragon? or the holy grail....Wales?

As for the Aztecs... I say keep them. I never go there but I like knowing the new world is there defended by scary sun worshipers that will tear your heart out.

[Bosphoran]

No. I would rather the mod was more stable and I 'm not that power hungry to play as the pope

[Furin]

I never play them anyway. Would be more fun if you could actively make crusades instead of being unable to make any, as you are the popes faction but the pope ignores that fact with zeal.

[Aeon`]

I prefered the Papal States to play new DLV versions first, but it doesn't feel good to conquer with them...

[x] No. I would rather the mod was more stable.

[Siculus]

I admit that I have never, ever played MTW II as the Papal States. Expaning much beyond central Italy would be rather ahistorical.

Siculus

[The Holy Milanese Empire]

Hehehe. Playing the papal states is as fun as it takes fro you to finish a boll of cheeze-its. Couse the popularity of the papal states is not very high and since playing them you get to excom any cathic faction you want and on top if that you get the papl gaurd, swiss guard, and a mean pasive croaabowmen, no need for castles it's like playing HRE with all your cities and castles That are maxed out. Buuuuuut a battle hungry pope ai thats based on the pope's violance/peacefulness thats something i can sink my teath into

[Dave Scarface]

This is the same as asking should the senate be a playable faction in RTW mods? afterall the papal states are just the senate reskinned arn't they? No, I don't think they should, they were not designed to be a playable faction in the campaign. The papal states should always be under AI control I believe. Also I dont think they are a very good faction to play as anyway. Its a bit like if you make the Aztecs playable, not much fun at all, these are not proper factions. So no, I dont think many people would miss them.

Dave

[Marku]

i say remove them. i hate them being a faction.