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    Default Is giving castle away worthwhile?

    Playing as Scotland, I've just kicked Norway out of the game, taking Castle Town with a large army in the process, and am allied w/ Ireland, Wales and the Barons' Alliance. I want to maintain those alliances until proud Edward's pow'r is a village with two peasants fighting over the last pig and a dirt road, then pick another enemy.
    The Irish have their island and nothing else; the Welsh are doing relatively well against the English re. territories, although they don't have great standing armies. The Alliance hold a buffer two territories deep across the Midlands, which I don't want to disturb.
    That was the situation and I was looking for an entry point to Southern England to take on the English, when they chased a small garrison out of Caernaervon with a small army of their own. I took the opportunity to get a cheap territory and establish myself south of the Alliance. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought that gifting Wales with the territory might prevent them from turning on me later at the cost of a crappy castle a long march from my other targeted territories, which are down the East Coast. It would also free up a big, expensive stack to march across the island and perhaps surprise an English garrison or two beat down by the Welsh along the border.
    Thoughts? Am I better off holding Caernaervon until it turns into a Scottish castle (and paying for a large garrison until it does), or ditching it for something closer to the action (and easier to spell?)
    Ulysses Everett McGill: I am the only daddy you got! I'm the damn paterfamilias!
    Wharvey Gal: But you ain't bona fide!

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    And the results are in. I gave up the castle, but while the extra stack was useful elsewhere, it didn't keep the Welsh from backstabbing me later in the game.
    A Welsh army showed up to besiege the English city of Canterbury, only to find it was now Scottish. The stack dithered for a turn, then went for the siege. Bad move. There are now no Welsh in Wales, just the two southwestern provinces, and not long for there, plus they were also kind enough to backstab Ireland, so once I clean up Cornwall and two of the three Welsh/Irish provinces, I'll have my 35 and the game.
    It's actually a reasonable facsimile of what I would expect from a human opponent: Our mutual enemy, England, was reduced to one province, surrounded by the Barons' Alliance, so we were going to fight sooner or later.
    And I got my revenge. We had a short ceasefire, after I repelled the initial assault, and the Welsh loaded up a ship with their king and his best army, probably to go attack the Irish. Somehow, it didn't make it past my Channel fleet, sending about 1,000 Welsh troops to the bottom.
    This map is all about sea power.
    And before Wales attacked, I was able to build up Perth/Glasgow/Edinburgh to crank out units, plus because Wales broke the tripartite agreement, the Barons stayed on my side, so I didn't have to fight everybody at once.
    Did giving up the castle help? Yeah, it bought some time fairly cheaply. Just don't expect a "permanent" peace for such a gift.
    Ulysses Everett McGill: I am the only daddy you got! I'm the damn paterfamilias!
    Wharvey Gal: But you ain't bona fide!

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    Tiro
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    Default Re: Is giving castle away worthwhile?

    It is worth giving up the castle if in turn you getting another castle or money. I did it last night (playing as teutonic) took the castle from Mongols and gave mine which borders with Novos. Once I given that castle to them they rage war against Novos. A good news for me (as I am crushing them right now) as I got a really good ally who is not only helping me crushing our common enemy but also cooperating with me on economic levels too

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    Default Re: Is giving castle away worthwhile?

    i was gonna say, no matter what you give the ai it wont stop it from backstabbing you in the end .... u should have also considered a third option... selling every building in ur newly occupied castle (exept maybe the church) garrisoning it with 1-2 units of peasants and leaving it like that (nothing much to care if the english got it - no buildings, and if the didnt well hey! u got a new castle ) while marching ur big army to the south (or wherever else it was u wanted to march).

    or just use the castle as a home base for ur big army and have it ransack the towns near the castle for more cash.... or the sheer joy of exterminating english populace (just kidding btw)

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