Heir to the throne?

[Gomer_Pyle]

Hi!

I have been playing to much M2TW today and of course SS. But one thing irritate me so much it is untrue.

Why can you not designate your own heir to the throne like in Rome:TW? Is it possible to mod this into the game cus frankly I am tired of having my pure (english bloodline) dynasty ruined by a mad man on the throne. Or atleast follow the bloodline after a regent has died.

I also wish there were a way to assasinate your own family members, like some of the missions you get from other factions. That way you could keep a clean bloodline. But of course if you got caught it should be something happening scriptwise.

Also... Lots of the factions in this mod gets lots of money. I see atleast 2 with 800000 gold now. Playing on Early Era as English on H/H (dont mock me plz, simply not good enough for anything else) hehehe

And last I got to say again what a brilliant mod...

Lastly a question i got. Is it possible to lets say alter diplomacy so it can have an option tell ur allies to attack a certain city? (Problem i have is that nomatter what I give my allies they never want to help attack.) Or tell them to leave alliances ect.

[Ketchup]

Ye, diplomacy is messed up in M2, nothing anyone can do about it (itrs hardcoded). Again, I'm pretty sure the family tree thing is hardcoded too. What I do is just send my unwanted, lunatic generals on one ship and send them into pirate-infested waters-does the trick .

[Raven™]

Yeap that's the best way I usually end up having one ship saling around picking up all the "unwanteds" and once there is 3 or 4 onboard... send them to their deaths

Not sure how this is gona work out in SS but with the new traits.. there might be less unwanteds this time around.

[Quark]

Gomer_Pyle
Select Heir: You and everybody else has not got a clue why CA stopped allowing you to select the heir, the system is hardcoded, or otherwise every modder would of allowed this.

Assassination: tut tut, kill of your dad or son - no hardcoded.

Money: Ai gets loads of cash in the hope (if the Ai can handle it) of building good arnies/infrastructure and prviding you with a challenge.

Diplomacy: Add it to the list of things that modders would love, top of list being an option of 'get off my land', sorry, another hardcode issue. (you can ask then to attack a faction as part of negotiations).

[strife1013]

I wish there was a get off my land option in diplomacy, I hate it when they just sit there. And if you do that to them you get bad reps for it....grrrrrrr the faction heir picking is another annoying thing as well but if you play it right you can have it where your family heir will always stay on the left side of the family tree. And if you dont like your king or what not I say let him die on a boat somewhere.

[Caspand]

I'll just join in here.

All heir, diplomacy that is hard coded is just so very bad from CA / sega side.

Seems to me like they are holding back on features for Empire or something.

I simply can not understand why they take a feature like heir selection out of the game when its been in mtw engine since MTW1 and people liked it.

2th is the with Sega / CA words "improved diplomacy" we were supose to get with MTW2, i say we have the same crappy AI diplomacy we always had, all the improved diplomacy we got was, a reaction indication on our diplomacy screen

But then again, what can we expect of new improvement when MTW2 is built on the same engine we had in Rome, i'd say all we got was some graphic improvements and nothing more. No new battle AI, no new strat AI and no new diplomacy. All in all we got a reskinned Rome total war.

Im very thankful we atleast have modders here on TW center that care to make it a better game.

Now my rant is over

[Gomer_Pyle]

Thank you for all your answers...

The assasination of my generals ect. is not working the way i wanted it. Well sailing them into the sun works but doesnt feel right. A way to have them killed realismwise would do the trick.. History dictates lots of backstabbing so it should be there....

And putting them on a boat and sailing them into pirates or moving them to attack an army on their own is effective yes but hardly realistic....

There should be a 3 option for your assasins. You should be able to target your own generals/kings but when you do that you should get like a new feature. Until now you have "Assasination/Sabotage". But how about an Accident slot? Staging of accidents would be sooo cool. hehe

Or the heir to the throne should have the option to negotiate with foreign powers for them kill your king ect.

[Bacon!]

i to like the see my king/emperor/grand duke/sultan etc stay in the same bloodline so in the english case the Plantagenet's so in alot of my games i only marry my princess to foreign heirs and faction leaders, not marry generals to my faction and i dont adopt and generals into my faction via man of hour etc. This does make the game more intresting because generals are really appreciated and the generals you do have become very good. However it can go terriblly wrong like in my last english game when the black death came it killed all but one of my family members . Killed my expansion in europe for a few years but it was all in good fun

[Gomer_Pyle]

I tried this too. Well until my bloodline became unfertile. Dang tight underwear. hehe

I may restart and try again... My problem also was that I only got daughters and only 1 son in 3 or was it 4 generations. I hope this is very random and just my stupid luck. But the idea of just marry your factions daughters to other princes...

Lets say your king has 2 sons. They get a son and daughter each. Will it be bad for traits after a while to marry them inside the family? I guess it will... And ofcourse really inproper. But hey it was the medieval and everything was legal. Atleast that way you will have a clean bloodline atleast a while. hehe

[ehecatzin]

Yes thats one think that its uncomprehnsible how CA failed to add. My problem is usually keeping the royal line alive, I avoid men of the hour and adoptions, they keep poping all the time yet princes and kings have to few offsprings, isnt it possible at least to mod kings and princes to have more kids? that would make keeping the line alive so much easier...kinda like in real life.

One thing that bothers me about adoptions and men of the hour is how it is implemented, I mean I would have no problem to adopt them if some other unimportant family member adopted them, but why does the prince or king have to adopt them? it only leads to having few generals avalaiable or messing with the royal family...

[Chim]

You can kill you own generals by holding the left ctrl key IIRC.

[spanish_emperor]

how do you kill them again wonkuruben??? i understand ctrl key but wat do you mean by IIRC? do you mean holding ctrl key and then pressing "I", "I", "R" and "C"?

[CDMan477]

how do you kill them again wonkuruben??? i understand ctrl key but wat do you mean by IIRC? do you mean holding ctrl key and then pressing "I", "I", "R" and "C"?

Ha, IIRC mean "if I recall" Spanish Emperor. Hmm, I think it does. I never use acronyms like lol, or imo so I don't know them to well myself. He is referring to the way you can delete either single or multiple units by selecting them then using ctrl d to delete them. Didn't know it worked with generals though. I would have thought it wouldn't have. Will have to try it. On topic though, I thought I remember a while back hearing about a mod team working on a script to select faction heirs. I wonder if anything ever came of that?:hmmm:

[stefano89]

So unfortunately hardcoded!

[Chim]

IIRC: If I recall correctly.

I believe you have to select your assassin and then instead of clicking a target the usual way, you hold down ctrl.

[delra]

Or send him to storm Visby by himself. :-)

[Gomer_Pyle]

I have now tested out not accepting MoH and adobtions ect. Worked really well until I decided to send my generals to get the pilgrim to compostela trait. They all got it. And 3rd generations didnt marry anyone at all. Piety to high or what is the story here? Should it pop up "suitable wife" event every now and then? After 100 turns i gotta abandon this campaign too.