9000 strong battles ?

[Ruprecht]

Hey all,

Just wondering if anyone else has this problem but when the mogols invaded to the east near the turks i had already captured all of ejypt and thier army was about 10,000 strong maybe more as they proceeded to make enemies with the turks and rebels on the way to my city Antioch.

Then a few turns later they all line up outside Antioch and attack, ok here's the not so nice part when i went to retaliate i was fighting against 5 legions over 1000 strong :hmmm:I'm like ok i can deal with this but on the battle map there were so many of them that my pc was lagging like crazy !!

It was basically unplayable, so my question is this. Does this always happen like the mongols just stick together in a giant cluster and make it impossible to resist thier attacks.

[NOTE] - my rig has a 3.4 ghz cpu and an 8800 gt card and 2 gig of ram.

So maybe i need 20 super computers running photonic's all linked together to play a battle with my forces and the mongols which are about 9000 troops ?

ps: i waited 15 turns to see if they split up ... they did not :hmmm:

[eggthief]

odd i can fight thousands of them and i got the same specs besides the videocard, 8800 gts here.

[kelvintyk]

I have a 2.5 Ghz, 4 gig RAM and 8800 gts. Works fine for me...minimal to no lag on high-medium settings.

[Wheelchair]

Ruprecht, Your CPU should be handling all that fine... I'm sitting at

3GB Ram
3.2 GHZ
and only a 7300GT and I can run battles such as at around 15-20 FPS, on Highest settings,

What i suggest doing Is defraging your PC, also, get this program called CCleaner

http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
Its my favorite cleaning program, works great ^_^

Another tip I can offer is, ALT+CTRL+DEL (task manager) > go to Processes Tab > End every process thats NOT LOCALSERVICE > NETWORK SERVICE > and SYSTEM.
The ones your looking to END are usually under your computers name, EX. Danny or something like XPS98113

DO NOT END Explorer... If you do it will shutoff your UI, but you can easily re-enable it via (Task Manager) FILE > NEW TASK > and type "Explorer" and your UI should come back up.

If you encounter any problems during ending processes just simply restart and it will all go back to normal.

Ending processes makes Ram more available to your CPU, as every program takes ram, and hell - you have programs running that you didn't even know existed.

Hope this helps, if you have any questions just ask away ^^

[Kennylz]

Say if they are all piling through a gate or are going in a bridge. There can be lag if you have 9000 units occupying a single region of game screen. Besides that though, I suggest zooming out, or just not looking directly into the pit of hell where there are so many units occupying such a little space.

Outside of those moments, having 9000 on the same battle-field doesn't offer -that- much lag, though I have my settings as high as possible on every sliders. Extreme shadows ftw.

[Kennylz]

Or, if all else fails, turn down shadows right before you fight all those stacks. END the Mongol threat, then turn them back on. Though, the people are right, with those specs the game shouldn't get unplayable.

[Ruprecht]

Hey guys,

Thanx for the input. I'm really confused that some of you say you don't get lag with 9000 + troops on screen. I play crysis on medium to high settings and it runs smoothly. But this game just lags alot for me.

I just installed patch 1.3 hoping the data was coded more efficiently after the patch but it made it worse, now i get lag just fighting 2-3 legions. However i noticed my cities being huge and lots of particle effects going on like lots of smoke comming from my buildings which i think is the source of my problem and the fact that most of my battles are at night.

I'm a pretty adept pc user and all my processes and background program's have minimal draw on my system atm, Although i will do some further analysis on them.

Btw - slightly off subject here but Woohoo !! i just got a princess spawn in Antioch that has 5 hearts question is who should i marry her to or should i use her as a diplomat ?

[eggthief]

first use her as a diplomat and then marry her to an other faction´s general, save and reload over and over untill it works otherwise u might lose her.

[Ham the Pharoah]

Another way would be to give the Mongols a settlement, effectively stopping them being a horde, as their armies will divide up and each army will go to random places. This could help if you cant fight them in these huge numbers, as it will break them up.

[boerekovic]

set your resolution lower.
I dont think mongols historically did mass up because they thought it would lag on the enemies rigs.

[Ruprecht]

set your resolution lower.
I dont think mongols historically did mass up because they thought it would lag on the enemies rigs.

PMSL.... yeah this is true, I thought of giving them a settlement but it took me a long time to build all that crapola inside them and if i re-captured it later i would have to re-build not happy jan material.

Btw on another slightly off topic note - I just started playing the tuetonic campaign and to my horror it seems there is no family tree or pope like whats the deal with that.

[Kennylz]

Kingdoms expansions = fail. Retrofit and Grand unit addon = win.

[Ruprecht]

Hey,

Yeah iv'e heard of that retrofit thing, it changes a few things like years per turn and so on, i have to track it down. And this grand unit also sounds like fun

I get a bit frustrated with the normal campaign as it seems every step i take just makes everyone hate me, i mean i can't sneeze without giving another faction something to gripe about. Before i know it i'm at war with almost all factions and although it is easy to defeat them i think there is more fun if it's not non-stop slaughter and devastation.

Thanx for all the replies ^^

[Kennylz]

Well, it helps to pick out one or two staunch allies you want to cultivate an alliance with right from turn one, and then if another faction happens to be friendly with you (AND your allies) then go ahead and take them in.

It is almost impossible to stay allied for long with a strong competitor right next to you though, unless you plan on conquering everything -except- what they go after. Crusades help a lot with that. I had a very nice dual Empires thing with me as France and the HRE right at my side. We got along surprisingly well. Milan was the third wheel that wanted to betray us really badly, but only did late late into the game.

[Ruprecht]

Haha, that's funny you say that about Milan because every campaign iv'e played Milan is quick to make an alleigence with me (HRE) but every bloody time they stab me in the back.

One of the most anoying things is you can't even march and army through any niehbouring factions land without them hissing and farting, drives me nuts.

There needs to be more diversity in the way you can interact with other factions, to have more fine control and this would add a sense of realism to the game. Not just randomness and messy AI.

What would be cool if you could ask or negotiate safe passage through neutral/allied factions terrotries that way you know they won't chuck a wobbly.
To put it simply the reputation system sux, but maybe thats what the dev's wanted it to be like hence the name -Total War-

[-Traiano-]

Just i don't understand....i have got half of your specs: 2ghz, 3Gb RAM and 256MB videocard ATI 2600XT 500W....my battles work quite fine with thousands of men, i fought a battle there were Me and 2 allyes all with one full stack, about 6500 men against 2 full stacks of the moors, total in the field about 10.000 men and it was slightly lagging using a CPU much less powerfull than yours!!!

[Ruprecht]

Just i don't understand....i have got half of your specs: 2ghz, 3Gb RAM and 256MB videocard ATI 2600XT 500W....my battles work quite fine with thousands of men, i fought a battle there were Me and 2 allyes all with one full stack, about 6500 men against 2 full stacks of the moors, total in the field about 10.000 men and it was slightly lagging using a CPU much less powerfull than yours!!!

Me either mate, just a question though do you always play on 2-6 x speed becuase i do and noticed that lags alot more than 1x , I find 1 x so very painfull to play i mean snails move quicker than those lazy soldiers.

click on a cavalry unit and make them run past a tree and watch, now imagine this sequence in real life, maybe 1 x is slow motion who knows.

[-Traiano-]

Me either mate, just a question though do you always play on 2-6 x speed becuase i do and noticed that lags alot more than 1x , I find 1 x so very painfull to play i mean snails move quicker than those lazy soldiers.

click on a cavalry unit and make them run past a tree and watch, now imagine this sequence in real life, maybe 1 x is slow motion who knows.

No, i play always on 1X...the opposite, sometimes i find it too fast!!!

[candle_86]

actully is your CPU a dually or single?

The reason i ask is this, I find MEII uses both of my cores, and i was unaware it had multi threading abilities, but appertnly it does, as my CPU usage on both cores goes up when i launch the game. If its a single core that fast, its gonna be a Pentium which doesnt make it that great of a single core by any means and im gussing its a Pentium 4 and not a Core2 oced or a PentiumD 940.

My advice is to see if your board can handle the Core2, and if it can get at least an E2200.

[Ruprecht]

Hey candle_86,

I think you may be right that my cpu is the bottleneck here. Even though it has 3.4 ghz clock speed it hasen't got dual cores.

The chip in question is a pentium 4 - 550 prescott core @ 3.4 ghz running a 1mb cache. Still you would think this is powerfull enough, perhaps not.

My board does support core 2 chips but diden't see the neccessity to upgrade to one until now.